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Joomfish, worth?
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- Nick R
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Hi Guys,
i thought about asking here some questions about joomfish as most RT members have great skills with joomla, maybe someone could help me around.
Im yet unsure if i should use it or not. So i just post my questions which i will also share on their forum but first i would lilke to see your opinions.
1. Does Joomfish affect my website in any bad SEO way? If i have not translated content for a language yet, it appears for the search engine as duplicate content. ie domain.com/en/howto is the same as domain.com/de/howto. Is that right or dont i have to worry about this?
2. Speed of joomfish
Do i have to expect a speed decrease of my site performance in using joomfish?
3. Best way for multilanguage
What do you think is better, having urls like domain.com/en/index.php or en.domain.com
I am going to release a tourist information website and it would be great (but not neccessary) to provided the content in different languages. Forum (phpbb) will be just in english.
Any one any experience with this?
Thanks
Nick
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- Brian Peat
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- Joomla and Wordpress site developer
- I'm testing it not on a dual language site...the only issue I see is, it's complicated to set up. If your website changes a lot, you're going to start hating Joomfish pretty quickly.
- Brian Peat
Peat Creative
peatcreative.com
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- Nick R
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Hi Brian,
thanks for your reply!
Im going to release a travel portal information website with a forum and jomsocial etc. The site is not only for tourists but for locals as well and therefore i need to write a lot of content for both. The local part and tourist part. I guess there is no other tool than joomfish to get this translated.
Im not happy at the moment, but my competitors are using google translation so it would be good for my site with content from native language speakers
And if i have the site in different languages, its better for search engines as other language speakers will find my site as well
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- Brian Peat
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The weird issue I had with it is, I thought you install it, designate one set of articles as one language, and another set as another language. You DO that, but only in the joomfish component, and you do NOT create a second set of articles using the joomla article engine. Basically, you make your site as you would in a single language, then you go into joomfish and assign a language to each one. The trick I missed was, you assign it for ALL languages, including the ORIGINAL one, then you do this for menu items, html modules, etc.
The cool thing is, if you're running a component that supports other languages and you've installed the ones you want, they convert automatically (community builder and kunena work fine so far).
hope that helps some! - Brian Peat
Peat Creative
peatcreative.com
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- JEM
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1. Does Joomfish affect my website in any bad SEO way? If i have not translated content for a language yet, it appears for the search engine as duplicate content. ie domain.com/en/howto is the same as domain.com/de/howto. Is that right or dont i have to worry about this?
If anything, I believe Joom!Fish will help your SEO. When you write an Articel in a particular language and enter the keyword and metadata, you probably enter only the terms in that language and not other languages. When you translate the Article into other languages, Joom!Fish provides feilds for entering keywords and metadata in the new language. So, basically, you have a chance of doubling your SEO indexing. (I am currently working on creating a Japanese / English site where all the keyword and metadata info was only in Japanese. Since translating the Articles and adding the English info, there has been a steady increase in hits and indexing.)
2. Speed of joomfish
Do i have to expect a speed decrease of my site performance in using joomfish?
You'll see no decrease in performance.
3. Best way for multilanguageYou can start with Joomla's core SEF. Unless you are using some third party components that don't play nice with the core, you should be all set.
What do you think is better, having urls like domain.com/en/index.php or en.domain.com
Doing so, Joomla will create the path automatically, for example,
mysite.com/en/about-us
mysite.com/ja/about-us
One thing to note, aliases are important, especially when using languages that do not use the Roman alphabet.
Normally Joomla will create the alias off the Title, 'About Us' becomes 'about-us'
However, if you are not using a Romanized alphabet, and don't enter an alias, Joomla will create one in the form of a time stamp.
Brian Peat wrote:I'm testing it not on a dual language site...the only issue I see is, it's complicated to set up. If your website changes a lot, you're going to start hating Joomfish pretty quickly.
I have been using Joom!Fish for a few years now, and I have to disagree. In fact, I would say the opposite is true once you get use to it. I can't imagine maintaining a multilingual site without it.
It's so easy to track changes, new Articles, which ones have changes in which language, etc.
It takes a bit of time but it's really a breeze. - Thanks,
jim
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- Nick R
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Hi Jem,
thanks for your reply and all information about this.
I get managed to use joomfish, but there is one thing i cant figure out.
If i translate a menu (using fusion), i cant see the number in front of it. You know, zephyr has the icons in front of the menu name. Also the width doesnt fit any more of the dropdown and the columns are gone.
Any idea how to solve this?
Cheers
Nick
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- JEM
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Nick R wrote:
Hi Jem,
thanks for your reply and all information about this.
I get managed to use joomfish, but there is one thing i cant figure out.
If i translate a menu (using fusion), i cant see the number in front of it. You know, zephyr has the icons in front of the menu name. Also the width doesnt fit any more of the dropdown and the columns are gone.
Any idea how to solve this?
Cheers
Nick
Could you open a new topic in the Zephyr forum with a link to you site in the new thread so we can take a look? - Thanks,
jim
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- Rob Went
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The trick I missed was, you assign it for ALL languages, including the ORIGINAL one, then you do this for menu items, html modules, etc
I would recomend that you don't translate the original language, then the original will be used automatically. If you start doing some then it can soon get confusing if you have a lot of pages where the content is coming from. Plus, you're basically just pressing copy as the original would be the same as the translation!
With regard to the menu icons and joomfish, I had a similar problem a while back and posted a solution here.
blog.rockettheme.com/forum/index.php?f=1...09381&rb_v=viewtopic
Could someone please move it to the new thread? - http://www.robertwent.com
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- Brian Peat
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- I found that if I didn't at least go into Joomfish and select the english version of my item in the list, add the title and alias, then click publish, it would put NO TRANSLATION FOUND on the top of the page. I'm not entering anything into the text editor on those pages, but unless I'm missing something, you at LEAST have to do what I did to make the system remove that message.
- Brian Peat
Peat Creative
peatcreative.com
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