How about a Mambo Template Club
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Seems a lot is riding on 1.5 If it is adopted and continues to draw people meaning site developers to it then the momentum will continue. The new development frame is pretty flexible and that will open the door for others to fill in where some other component developers walk away.
I like the opensource commitment, I do have one or two commercial components but honestly I do not find support or quality that much better than some of the GPL offerings.
I cannot see deciding my CMS based on SMF availability only. Or any other of the components that are looking to leave. At this point there are still plenty of options available, and to Andy's point there will be new ones come along.
Should be interesting to keep an eye on, but at this moment it seems jumping ship is a little drastic
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- i know of 2 1.5 native smf bridges in the works anyway.. and they are going to be much better than the existing ones as no hacks will be required, all powered by the new event system in 1.5.
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Andy Miller wrote:
I think walking away from joomla is about the worse thing these developers can do. The first thing that comes to mind is that they are shooting themselves in the foot.
Hate to disagree but I do.
<edit> I think it better if I just leave it at that. My apologies. Sometimes my temper makes me forget my manners. - Last Edit: 17 years 10 months ago by Mack.
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- just what we need another fork lol
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Roland Deschain wrote:
End of Joomla!?? Did I miss something!? ???
You’ll have to excuse my wordings English is my 4th language and to make matters worse I am not good at it.
I should have said 'loose momentum' or 'it’s lead over others' instead of end.
Andy Miller wrote:i know of 2 1.5 native smf bridges in the works anyway.. and they are going to be much better than the existing ones as no hacks will be required, all powered by the new event system in 1.5.
Creating the bridge is not the problem, in fact I was testing 1.5 bridge the question is will SMF allow this according to their interperation of GPL any hooks to Joomla has to be GPL licensed and SMF is not and will not be.
timothy jones wrote:I cannot see deciding my CMS based on SMF availability only. Or any other of the components that are looking to leave.
It all depends to the client's and the site's, needs and wants .
Lets not make this to another threat about license but a request for Mambo Club Template.
Andy Miller wrote:so you are just walking away from this market and going where? mambo? please.
Mambo 4.7 seems to be a good choice. - Last Edit: 17 years 10 months ago by Peter Osipof.
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Andy Miller wrote:
i know of 2 1.5 native smf bridges in the works anyway.. and they are going to be much better than the existing ones as no hacks will be required, all powered by the new event system in 1.5.
I know of a high quality GPL Forum complete with ajax that is allegedly being adapted by ninjas to work natively in Joomla too... Not that I am dropping hints or anything. ;D -
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Andy Miller wrote:
Secondly, the worst part about this is they are neglecting their customers and treating them with this kind of disrespect and support is really despicable. I would stay away from people who do business like this.. (jots down a note of projects/developers to steer clear of)Treating them with disrespect how? They can't stay without modifying their business model into a potentially unsustainable model. Staying alive is better for their customers than dieing.
Most of them from what I can see are continuing to support 1.0.x just not moving to 1.5
Andy Miller wrote:Thirdly, these developers are partly riding the success of joomla to make their businesses viable. I will concede that a portion of joomla's success can be attributed to commercial developers, there's no denying it, but on the other hand, it's the very success of joomla that brought these developers to joomla, and led them to create products for it etc. Joomla itself is developed with thousands of hours of donated time, and walking away from joomla also shows the project a great deal of disrespect, imho.The project dealt them a fair hand of disrespect first though... They didn't ask to be told to change their licenses go away or potentially be sued. They haven't been left a lot of choice if they want to stay in business.
Joomla isn't really that much different from any other Big CMS though. Especially not it's own forks! Why is joomla more successful than the forks? Why has Joomla outgrown other more mature and more full featured CMS like Drupal?
Joomla certainly doesn't have more features than Drupal....
As for joomla's success, entire vertical markets will now disappear from the list of Joomla customers. Not because Joomla got worse, but because what they need to run a business is no longer provided on Joomla. These people couldn't care less if it's Joomla, mambo or my Mom's Roast Chicken as long it keeps their business website going and is a free cms they will use it.
Hotel Reservations (and any type I think) are now gone from J1.5
There will be no more Real Estate Sites.
Directory sites are dubious as the only remaining GPL directory - sobi2 is supported by a commercial developer
Ip sales sites are also no longer going to be available.
No more job sites
The list goes on..
Wherever there was a small niche that only had one or two extensions to cater to it, but that brought hundreds or even thousands of people to Joomla there is now a risk of that market taking off.
Andy Miller wrote:I was planning on creating a commercial venture selling components, so the discussions and decision regarding the GPL statement had a direct effect on me also, but i'm not going to walk away from my plan, i'm just going to regroup and come up with another solution to the problem. But heh, that's just me.
With these developers leaving, i guess it leaves the playing field open for others...
Except that the playing field has always been open... There never was people stopping GPL extensions from being developed. The existence of commercial proprietary projects never hampered anyone from doing their own stuff. Why do people suddenly think that a massive bunch of experienced GPL programmers with 2 or so years of Joomla/mambo experience, and a enough free time on their hands to make stuff and provide support at the same rate as person who works full time on it, are going to materialise out of thin air?
I wouldn't be surprised if a few hard core GPL purists were attracted by the new stance. But I think it's just insane to try to imply that there is a magical army of GPL Joomla programmers prepared to come in and take the place of the commercial 3pd's at the drop of a hat.
If there was, where have they been hiding for the last couple of years???
Yes some people can regroup and come back with other plans because some models work under GPL but not all.
When the GPL heroes start pounding out examples of commercially viable GPL they always bring up frameworks like Linux or operating systems. The problem with is that extensions are not frameworks. Everyone can't build linux just to keep their family fed.
Joomla pulled the income and viability for their business out of these guys pockets, so why are they being disrespectful by pulling out of Joomla? If your boss told you he was going to stop paying you, would you feel obligated to continue working? - Last Edit: 17 years 10 months ago by Daniel Chapman.
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Close but not quite!
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EDIT: still a while away yet. - Last Edit: 17 years 10 months ago by Daniel Chapman.
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