Dropping Gantry 5
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- Canberra Web
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I didn't approach Gantry 5 with a Gantry 4 mind set. I gave it a go and didn't like it because it takes ages to do anything.
I'm sure it will get better but I as you are lead developer you probably don't want to believe that people don't really like what you have made so far and that i would have done it very differently.
Why do we even need particles at all when we have modules? Why didn't you enhance module features rather than writing you own version?
Why didn't the system have replace/edit multiple particles from day one? If i want to delete particles from layouts I have to go into each layout and delete them one by one. I know I can create a base particle and then edit that one but I then have to drop it into each layout. It is much easier to create a module position so I can then load a module into that position and it will appear on which ever pages i want it to. Particles seem completely unnecessary to me.
Also the informaton stored in Particles doesn't seem to be stored in the database. So if I want to update multiple particles via the database I can't. Why is everything stored in flat files?
I just think Rockettheme have made a lot of bad decisions with this framework. Sorry. -
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- Canberra Web
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- Another thing I have noticed is Gantry 5 doesn't seem to work very well with SEF components unless you link to an single article. If you link to a custom gantry page it just thinks that there is no page there at all.
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- Canberra Web
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It also doesn't include the site name in the title unless you link to a Joomla page. eg if you link to a Gantry page it doesn't work.
Global config > SEO Settings > Include Site Name in Page Titles doesn't work so I would have to manually do this or change all of gantry pages to Joomla pages. -
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- TownHall
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I agree, all the issues you brought up are important and relevant. SEO seems completely borked, assigning modules to menu items now takes double the work, and then they still aren't truly part of the Joomla page or CMS.
I feel almost like Gantry 5 is a parasite to the Joomla as a CMS and not cohesive. What's even worse are that outlines are not even included in search results. When you create a regular Joomla article and then create an outline to place a module onto a menu item, it treats the joomla article as a separate entity from the outline itself.
I like what G5 has to offer, but what I'm beginning to hate is the fact that it doesn't let me use the Joomla CMS in the way that it's designed to be used.
At this point G5 should be its own CMS instead of piggybacking off of real CMS's and not letting the CMS realize its full potential. -
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- TownHall
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I want to continue using G5 and I have an entirely new site built on it but I don't know if I will be able to recommend its use in the future if the developers want to isolate the CMS in the name of cross platform compatibility.
I need Joomla and a powerful template not a template framework that wants to supercede the CMS and make the CMS itself pointless. -
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- netstepinc
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we have no intention of dropping support for it for a very long time....but you're no longer developing new Gantry4 templates...
I've been a Developer Club member since 15 Oct 2009.
After using Gantry5 on a simple site rebuild/redesign, I have decided to not renew my RocketTheme membership.
I will not use G5 in any of my sites because I don't want another layer on top of Joomla.
I work with a lot of newbies, and Joomla is already overwhelming for most of them.
My user training and my whole business was built around Gantry4 templates.
If I already have all the G4 templates that RocketTheme will ever produce, then RocketTheme is not longer worth the expense for me.
I'm very disappointed.
Are there other template companies producing Gantry4 based templates?
If not, what's the next best framework I should consider? T3? - Last Edit: 9 years 4 months ago by netstepinc.
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- Kat05
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Canberra Web wrote:
It also doesn't include the site name in the title unless you link to a Joomla page. eg if you link to a Gantry page it doesn't work.hi,
Global config > SEO Settings > Include Site Name in Page Titles doesn't work so I would have to manually do this or change all of gantry pages to Joomla pages.
there have been some changes to address this in the gantry 5.0.0 stable release which came out yesterday and there will be further work on this too.
kat
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TownHall wrote:
... assigning modules to menu items now takes double the work, and then they still aren't truly part of the Joomla page or CMS.Hi there,
I'd like to disagree.
Take a core Joomla site and install one of our Gantry 5 templates to it. Then simply remove any outlines other than the default outline and make sure that there are no other templates assigned to any of your pages (this is what you would do with any other non-gantry or Gantry 4 template too). Now go to the Layouts tab and click the 'Load' button. Choose for example 'Gantry 4'. This will add a selection of module positions that you've all known and used with our Gantry 4 templates.
Then go to the Module manager and start creating modules and assigning them to certain present Gantry 4 positions and any menu items you wish to show them on. This process is no different to any other template.
The difference with Gantry 5 is that it does not come with a limited number of module positions that you're restricted to. So you can use any of the provided layouts, such as the Gantry 4 layout as a base and then add more module positions on the fly according to your needs. This will be done by dragging and dropping new module positions or module instances to existing sections in the Layout manager.
Anything that you could do in Joomla using Gantry 4 in regards to modules is still possible with Gantry 5, we just added a lot more functionality and options that you can use but you don't have to.
Kat
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netstepinc wrote:
I will not use G5 in any of my sites because I don't want another layer on top of Joomla.Hi there,
I work with a lot of newbies, and Joomla is already overwhelming for most of them.
I am not sure what you mean with 'another layer on top of Joomla.'?
Gantry 5 is very powerful with many new functionalities, at the same time it can be used in a very simple and effective way.
Maybe you can be more detailed about what is bothering you? I am sure we'll be able to address any concerns.
Kat
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deman wrote:
Hi,Hi there,
It looks interesting but i dont understand how I can have a module / particle appear on menu items
- on all pages except selected
- only on the selected
- on all pages
can i still use modules like before or do i have to do everthing within de template
yes, you can still use modules like before, create them in your Module Manager, assign them to a certain module position and to certain menu items using the options provided by Joomla which you have listed above. We have not removed this functionailty at all with Gantry 5, it's still there. And you do not have to use any particles at all, if you don't want to.
Like I mentioned in one of my previous posts today, the only difference is that Gantry 5 does not come with a limited set of module positions, but with a lot of different preconfigured 'Layouts' that you can load and then edit the way you want to, by adding your own module positions if you like, infact you can have as many module positions as you want. To get an easier start though, try what I described in one of my previous posts, loading the 'Gantry 4' layout in the Layout Manager, please see picture. Make sure to do that in the 'Default' outline of your template and that it is being shown on all pages. Then go to your Module Manager as usual and create your modules and assign them to those module positions that are included in that 'Gantry 4' layout.
Also, in the screenshot you will notice that there is another layout called 'Joomla - Protostar'. This will allow you to use any Protostar (one of the 2 core Joomla templates) module positions within your Gantry 5 template. Again, if you load this layout, you can add and remove module positions to your layout the way you like/need it.
Kat
- Last Edit: 9 years 4 months ago by Kat05.
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