Think Joomla will ever ditch Mootools for jQuery
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- Ilchas
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Looking around and doing lots of reading and comparisons between jQuery and mootools. Probably been debated dozens of times. However, I think that main thing to look at is popularity. Mootools seems to be going downhill: not enough plugins, very small community with members who hate helpings noobs etc...
Has Joomla ever given thought to switching to jQuery, think it will ever happen?
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- James Spencer
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Doubtful
But without Mootools, you wouldn't find see all the awesome javascript effects in our templates and extensions... all from Djamil, who is a Mootools Core Developer
Obviously, we are biased but its a very strong library so best not to discredit it so easily
- James Spencer / Developer & Support / Hull, UK
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- Rich Bean
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- Ah so you guys are very well positioned for the switch to mootools 1.2
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- James Spencer
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- Aye, we await Mootools 1.2 and Joomla 1.6 with great anticipation. Also, regarding the prospect of Joomla dropping Mootools, Mootools 1.2 is the framework of Joomla 1.6 so I doubt that.
- James Spencer / Developer & Support / Hull, UK
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- Djamil Legato
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I honestly don't think that Joomla! will ever ditch MooTools, but who knows. For sure not at this current state as they have pushed mootools 1.2 in Joomla! 1.6, which is going to be a very great update since MooTools 1.11, the one used on Joomla 1.5, is really old, limited and not maintained anymore for long time now.
You don't see it, but many times it happened I had to write custom MooTools core bits to have some of our RocketTheme's extensions work the way they work. I wish we all had mootools 1.2 in Joomla! but it will arrive, and you'll see the differences. In the other side I'm gratefully that Joomla! 1.5 is using MooTools, because enhanching core bits is one of the solid point of MooTools: Modularity.
Aaron Newton, one of the other buds at MooTools core team has written a good comparison between jQuery and MooTools, that reads suprisingly fair, I wouldn't link it if it wasn't: jqueryvsmootools.com/
The way MooTools is, object-oriented programming, is what I think made Joomla! choose MooTools rather than another framework (please, don't make the mistake to consider all the js frameworks just javascript, they are all as good as different).
Thinking about all our RocketTheme extensions, I'm grateful we've MooTools, because updating, changing, fixing is much easier, just because of that little OOP detail. And this brings up another good solid point of MooTools: Maintainability.
The article I linked above, explains very well the differences. I, for the most, agree with all that is written in there. A big project, that predicts future updates, enhanchements and maintainable code will definetely fits perfectly with MooTools. I'm not saying that it is mandatory, I'm just telling you what was our main goal at MooTools.
And I feel surprised about the popularity argument. I really thought popularity was one of the very least subject to take in consideration. I don't choose a service or a product because of its popularity, but efficiency, quality. Sure popularity helps, that's though something that should come from the producer rather than the final user.
I have a very good example of a big project ( www.ape-project.org/ ) that recently started. They've chosen MooTools. I asked them "why?" and they replied me:JQuery is a "browser framework" Mootools is a javascript framework.
I then told them that would of be great to read in a more detailed article all the reasons, and they are now writing it. As soon as I've a link I'll be glad post it in here.
Surely they will explain better than me, that am 100% involved, the reason they chosen one framework rather than another. - / Djamil Legato / Lead Developer /
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- Roeland_A!
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Windows is "popular" Internet explorer is "popular", wouldn't you agree that there are way better products?
Why do most people here use FF? Not because of its popularity, just because it is better suitable for most tasks.
Just my 2 cents
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- Ilchas
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Very good points indeed. The only thing that still bothers me about mootools is the lack of community contributions and help. If I want to add a new effect or module doing so is difficult if you aren't experienced
it's kind of like they don't want any rookies. Hopefully they can improve their site at mootools.net and post more articles and tutorials.
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- Djamil Legato
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You're right IlchyBaby, and we're working on that. By the way you have to take in consideration that the MooTools community exists and it is growing, what could fool is that almost everything that is MooTools 1.11 have been "abandoned", and this is probably the main reason you don't find many help/contributions.
If you have the time to read that jqueryvsmootools.com/ , you'll find infos in there too.
Also, take in consideration some unofficial sites like:
- www.clientcide.com/
- www.mootorial.com/
- www.mooforum.net/ - / Djamil Legato / Lead Developer /
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- Enrico
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I think Joomla shouldn't be delivired with 3rd party framework (jQuery or mootools) pre-installed. Just make it available in the backend (and make joomla compatible with both) but not enable it as default.
It should be up to webmasters/admins to enable/use their favorite framework (jQuery or mootools) to work with.
Having Joomla a built-in mootools pre-installed it's like forcing webmasters to not use 3rd party components/plugins made with jQuery. We all know issues that could arise by using jquery with mootools.
Same for templates. It would be much better to have a "use enhanced mootools version" option, so end users will benefit of the enhanced mootools effects which come with the template. But let decide the final users, don't impose mootools (or jquery) as a built-in.
My 0,02.
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