metadata keyword question
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- Johnny Thomas
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Hi...i have a quick question...when posting key words in the metadata insert box, i understand that keywords should be separated by a comma and a space but do keyword phrases with multiple words need to be in quotes or can they just be separated by commas too?
for example: keyword1, "keyword phrase words", keyword3, ...
Thanks in advance...much appreciated
John Thomas
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- Rich Bean
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John, don't hurt your head over this. It doesn't matter as meta keywords are largely ignored by the search engines anyway. And as a side note, if you do put all of your "important" keywords in there then that just makes it easier for your competition to know what exact keywords you are targeting.
Rather than worry about commas, concentrate on Writing Effective Title Tags and Meta Descriptions that entice a searcher to click on your site rather than someone else's.
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- Penn Wooding
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- I agree wholeheartedly with Rich. descriptive page headings containing a few major keywords are the trick to good page ranking. Do a bit of research using keywordspy, this will give you a pretty good indication of the kind of search engine phrases and keywords that your competitors are generating. sometimes it may be only one or two keywords that you need to put in your page heading which means you can make it really descriptive so everybody knows exactly what it's all about, rather than just having lots of different keywords separated by a "comma" , I think this is rather amateurish myself.
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- Johnny Thomas
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Rich/Penn,
Thanks to both of you for your comments. I guess it is pretty obvious from my question that I am quite new at this so perhaps the word amateur is appropriate. i'm okay with that. We all start somewhere.
I've spent the last few months learning Joomla--obviously, i still have a lot to learn--and recently went live with my website www.e3greenhomes.com i can't really afford an seo consultant so i am just trying to do what i can to get some sort of a ranking. the metada approach came out of a book.
Anyway, about the heading--do you mean the article or category title in the title box or do you mean a heading in the body of the article? What is a title tag? where can i get some info on that. Again, i apologize if my questions are amateurish, but that's where i'm at right now. i don't know what i don't know.
If either of you could point me to an seo primer for Joomla, that would be much appreciated.
Kind regards,
john
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- Penn Wooding
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When you say primer, I assume you're talking about some kind of extension to help with SEO? No need for anything, you can optimize a standard joomle application without adding any extra SEO applications. However, if it's going to be an SEO challenge to get your website a presence on the Internet then you could use SH404SEF Basically, you can rewrite your URLs. Having said that, joomla 1.5 seems to do a pretty good job of creating SEF URLs all by itself.
Take a look at my screenshot, this will tell you which is the page heading,, which is the article heading. The page heading is the most important elements you need to get right. If you look at the page heading I have, the three main keywords are "Oscar fish Cichlid" I could just have these as my page heading and it would have worked perfectly okay, however I wanted to elaborate a bit more so people would get more of an understanding about what the page is all about so I made my heading a little bit more informative. I have used H1 tags on my article heading and again, they contain two major keywords. Some people believe that this also helps with search engine optimization.
When it comes to the meta page description & page heading for my homepage, I put both of these in metadata settings in global configuration. For all other articles I put the meta-page heading in the article title field and the description in metadata information. The reason I like to put my global description in metadata settings is that this description will appear on components such as photograph Galleries and also any page where you may have forgotten to put the description in. When you put a description in an article, it overwrites the global description.
I hope I haven't confused you.
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- Johnny Thomas
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Hello Penn...Thank you for the detailed response. I apologize for the late reply. I wanted to research a little in an effort to respond from a little more informed position. I am not sure if i'll accomplish that but at least i am starting to understand the various approaches somewhat. Oh, the reference to a seo primer last time would have been better said an seo tutorial.
First, it seems that the 'page title' is determined by the joomla sef urls...correct? i assume SH404SEF affords an even greater accuracy in terms of targeting the page title to the key words and content of the page, but not really be that necessary. if this is correct, i think i'll rely on the joomla sef urls for now and focus initially on header tags.
With regard to header tags, there seem to be some tools that will wrap article titles in header tags. one such tool is sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?d...4905&group_id=252337
I guess my question is do i really need this type of a tool? Or is it sufficient to manually select titles and subtitles that capture keywords and content.If so, how to do this?
i use jce 154 editor. Is it merely a matter of selecting headings or subheadings and then selecting 'Heading 1' or 'Heading 2' under format? Will this assign the tags in the proper manner?
The font size of the headings are quite large compared to the body text. is it okay to make them a smaller font and change the color or does that mess up the seo characteristic of the tag?
it seems like it would be quite easy to go through the articles and adjust the titles to include key words and then format with a Heading tag.
Is it really that simple or am i missing something? I'm sorry to come back at you with so many questions. Any further insight you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.
BTW...your site is really well done. I am learning, slowly, most by trial and error.
Kind regards,
john
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- Rich Bean
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First, it seems that the 'page title' is determined by the joomla sef urls...correct?
Kinda, that defines the URL, and if you don't set the page title then it will use it, but you can set your custom page title in the same place, it's located in the Parameters, System tab. The choose to show or not show refers to on the actual page itself.
I wouldn't worry about using a tool for your H tags, you can do that yourself and won't bloat your site.
The font size of the headings are quite large compared to the body text. is it okay to make them a smaller font and change the color or does that mess up the seo characteristic of the tag?
Sizes are and colors for the tags are defined in the CSS of your template, have a poke around and change them as you see fit. Use firebug to see where they are getting pulled from.
All of these things are what's called Basic On Page Optimization (or Optimisation depending on your country) They are just the beginning. But you must get the basics down before going any further.
A great resource to start learning SEO is a Free PDF called SEO Faststart. It's a great read. I am in no way affiliated other than I use it as a resource.
Hope that helps.
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- Johnny Thomas
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Thanks Rich...much appreciated.
One more quick question...when is the right time to submit to the search engines? Should i just submit right away and continue chipping away at improving the seo of the site or wait until i meet some threshold?
Cheers,
john
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- Rich Bean
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Personally I only submit to Google via webmaster tools and am xml sitemap.
That way, you will also know how many pages from your sitemap are in Google's index.
There's nothing wrong with doing it once you have a few pages up. So your site should submit one.
I do see that your site is in Googles Cache as or 9 September.
Also, since you are in Colorado and targeting that specific area, would a better Title Tag for the Home Page be something like Green Homes Colorado? Or something to that effect? - My Sites:
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