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- Gordon Sutton
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I know I will be shut down on this subject but it what it was. I am not a professional computer programmer, etc. anymore. I maintain simple websites for a couple of non-profits on a probono basis.
I am finding that the complexity of the rocket theme offering is increasing. Posting to the forum, while you can get answers, does not always increase understanding but only fixes a very specific problem. Sometimes the lanuage is so technical that I cannot understand it.
The new design are beautiful, but when I want to use a new template to replace the old one, I find that even simple issues such as adding a particle to another template is frought with warnings about compatibility, functionality, etc. that it intimidates the casual user like me.
I do not like to be pestimistic, but I am forseeing the end of using the templates because of this complexity. I hope some steps can be taken that will provide a path to the future for people like me. - I probably did something wrong.
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- David Goode
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Hi Gordon,
I can understand your situation because when I first started using G5 I detested it. Ask any of the other mods and they will tell you I was always moaning about how hard it was.
I persevered and one day the penny just dropped. I know look at the G5 templates as a bunch of glorified place holders same as Gantry 4. All the embedded particles I tend to delete and add module-positions instead. Now it is much more like my clients are used to - Articles and Modules (even though some are actually particles) in the places they expect to find them.
Creating a new outline is similar to creating overrides in Gantry 4 templates.
We still have the custom css but now it is in custom.scss.
Beacuse it looks and feels different it is scary. I also found that the option to achieve the same goal but by various means was also confusing. Now I do what I want so long as it gives me the end result.
If you look at the whole of the RocketTheme crew then I am the Luddite. Even my 4 year old grandson probably has a better grasp than I do. But I can assure you that once the penny drops it does get easier.
Hope this helps
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- Vybz
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David Goode wrote:
Hi Gordon,I am in the exact same position.
I can understand your situation because when I first started using G5 I detested it. Ask any of the other mods and they will tell you I was always moaning about how hard it was.
I left rt for a bit think i left just before g4 came out. But i am back now trying to create a site in Grav and i am having such a difficult time. we need a video to help teach us how to use it. and not one of those quick ones but a step by step guide. I am abit fustrated and am about to give up. I wish that penny you talked about would drop soon.
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- David Goode
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Hi Vybz,
I haven't really used Grav yet so that will be another learning curve for me. I mainly work with Joomla and whenever I started reading the documentation and saw atoms and particles I felt lost. Once I could see that particles were just fancy modules and that I could have module positions in my outlines instead of the module instances (that the early demos were full of), then I started feeling like it wasn't as hard as it seemed.
Yes - there things that still get me worked up, stupid things like trying to find specific settings for things. But in general I can now find my way around Gantry 5 Joomla templates without too much hassle. I can even move particles around and create new outlines. All things that I couldn't do before with G4.
I would imagine that Grav, being a flat file structure, means that users will need to understand YAML a bit to make changes etc.
No doubt my colleagues will all be going "He's moaning again!" when I start to play with Grav
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- Gordon Sutton
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Hi,
The point is that I have been using G5 since it came out and it continues to increase and complexity and lack of consistency. Having the particles tailored to a specific template is an example. The differences are not documented so it is just trail and error for the user. I save the same on problem post where you had changed the roxbox(?) to a particle and the user had to take some actions. Not documented properly or notifications not sent. Complexity and confusion. - Last Edit: 8 years 2 months ago by Gordon Sutton.
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- David Goode
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Hi Gordon,
A lot of particles are tailored for a specific template. This is no different to modules in G4 templates. We often had template overrides in place. None of those were documented either. You either wanted the module or you didn't, publish or unpublish.
We were often asked how to take a RokSprocket layout from one template and add it to another. In effect this is not really much different to the particles.
For those that want to heavily customise their website, G5 with particles and atoms is what they need.
For those that just want to use the template out of the box then that too is no problem.
It is the middle ground where people get lost and then have their epiphany, where most of the problems arise. Where practicle we do try and find easier ways to make some of the changes. Based on member feedback we have particles that can use Joomla articles in a manner similar to RokSprocket, as well as the ability to just add text if you are happy with that too.
There isn't a magic wand that will let us have great designs, huge flexibility and custom layouts and styles, without a trade off against files sizes and processing times. We have what we feel is currently the best compromise available. That doesn't mean we have stopped looking for ways to improve though.
Member feedback is always helpful in some way, so thanks for telling us how you feel about the current status.
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- Vybz
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- it may be easy. I am just saying some videos can help. Maybe a video showing how you create the entire demo. something like that. a beginners, intermediate and expert videos. sitting down here having to try to figure it out by looking at my admin area or going through the documentation looking for what you need is just depressing at times. shuts off the creative juices.
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- David Goode
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Hi Vybz,
Thanks for the suggestion. I too prefer videos to learn from, as do many others, so I will pass on your feedback.
Cheers for now.
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