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I will plunge in Gantry 5.
Before I do and after looking at some posts around, I’m a little anxious !
Note: I’m building exclusively Multilingual sites
I here about twig & yalm & particules and Outlines and other oddities ?
My first impression (I’m hopefully wrong) on all that is that Ganty 5 is trying to replace the core Joomla way. Just this, ring warning bells in my ear. In my case I try to stay away to anything that override Joomla in any way (Components, modules,plugins or templates), I’m building Joomla sites, not Rockettheme or anything else. Also I will not accept a dumb down system because it is compatible with other CMS than Joomla simply because I don’t build with anything else than Joomla.
1— My first question about Gantry 5 will be about those “Particules”
Gantry documentation —> docs.gantry.org/gantry5/particles/particles#standard-particles
Help me to understand.
a) — Ok, they are some kind of “positions” but they are not “Normal” Joomla positions. Is this mean that you are taking out the positionning of element from the normal Joomla processus ?
b) Can I still use the normal positionning in Joomla ?, is it a good idea ?, can I mix & match and still use the layour manager ?
c) 3 Type of “Particules”
1 - Standard Particle
= Block of pre-made snippets (by who other than RTheme if you are not a coder?) fonctions
2— Position —> Can have content or scripting assigned to them by the CMS ?
= Not sure about this one, can I assign a normal Joomla position (Custom HTML, or any type of module from the core or third party in there?) — Hopefully, as example, if I add a core Joomla custom html module to it, I can still edit it the good old way, by the Module manager?
3- Atom — non-visible Particles which provide scripting to your site. Analytics tracking, custom CSS / JavaScript, and other elements that need to run when the page loads but do not appear visually...
Ok, I guess can be usefull... even if you have some fantastic plugins (Sourcerer and other) that can do just that with a great level of flexibility
2— My second question is just to test Gantry 5 with a small real example.
I ALWAYS change the RT logo for a Core Joomla custom HTML module as, I want full control on is size, placement and multilingual apparence. I also need the edition of this custom html logo to be where it supposed to be, in the Joomla module Manager, with the onboard editor (JCE) or others
How to do with Gantry 5 ?
Will come back for more, I’m istalling a gantry 5 template today on my local environment to see... - Last Edit: 9 years 2 months ago by Patrick Toulze.
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Patrick Toulze wrote:
I will plunge in Gantry 5.In Gantry 5 use the:
Before I do and after looking at some posts around, I’m a little anxious !
Note: I’m building exclusively Multilingual sites
- Joomla Menu Manager screen to create and setup menus
- Joomla Article Content screen to create articles
- Joomla Module Manager screen to create and setup(assign module position and menu page) modules including the New type from Gantry 5 called "Particles"
Please see " Getting Started "
For Mulit-Language sites please see " Creating a Multilingual Site (Joomla) "
Patrick Toulze wrote:I here about twig & yalm & particules and Outlines and other oddities ?NOT AT ALL!!!
My first impression (I’m hopefully wrong) on all that is that Ganty 5 is trying to replace the core Joomla way. Just this, ring warning bells in my ear. In my case I try to stay away to anything that override Joomla in any way (Components, modules,plugins or templates), I’m building Joomla sites, not Rockettheme or anything else. Also I will not accept a dumb down system because it is compatible with other CMS than Joomla simply because I don’t build with anything else than Joomla.
Just as we provided the Gantry 4 framework to help users better navigate Joomla's very basic functionalities so does Gantry 5. With Gantry 5 we have used the latest technologies to help our users prototype the site quicker and provide them with a larger degree of flexibility than Gantry 4 had.
Patrick Toulze wrote:1— My first question about Gantry 5 will be about those “Particules”Particles can be created and setup in two places, the Joomla Module Manager screen and an Outlines(think template) Layout Manager.
Gantry documentation —> docs.gantry.org/gantry5/particles/particles#standard-particles
Help me to understand.
a) — Ok, they are some kind of “positions” but they are not “Normal” Joomla positions. Is this mean that you are taking out the positionning of element from the normal Joomla processus ?
b) Can I still use the normal positionning in Joomla ?, is it a good idea ?, can I mix & match and still use the layour manager ?
If you create the Particle in the Joomla Module Manager screen you have to assign the module position and menu page(s) it appears on. In the Outlines Layout Manager this module position you've used for your newly created particle has to be represented in the Layout with a "placeholder".
Please see " Layout Manager "
Patrick Toulze wrote:c) 3 Type of “Particules”There are two types of Particles. The first type is "Particle". This type exists only in the Joomla Module Manager creation screen and contains a content presentation Particle. You can see these types of Particles in the Demo pages -> Features -> Particles.
1 - Standard Particle
= Block of pre-made snippets (by who other than RTheme if you are not a coder?) fonctions
This type also appears in an Outlines Layout Manager where you can place that content presentation Particle DIRECTLY into the Layout. This means you needn't provide a module position or menu page. For instance to represent your Joomla Main Body all you need to do is Drag a Page Content Particle somewheres into your Layout.
In an Outlines Layout Manager there exists a second type of particle "Positions". All Blocks, which are the basic unit that displays your content on the front end, that represent a Joomla Module (including Particle-type "Particles") using module positions are represented in the Layout with Position type Particles.
There are two types of Position type Particles - module position and module instance.
Please see " Introduction to Particles "
Patrick Toulze wrote:2— Position —> Can have content or scripting assigned to them by the CMS ?Actually this is where Gantry 5 is much superior to Gantry 4. We've provided "Atoms" that contain JS scripts or special CSS you've created. Also the Global Page Settings Tab in an Outline provides you with TOTAL control of scripting in the BODY of your site.
= Not sure about this one, can I assign a normal Joomla position (Custom HTML, or any type of module from the core or third party in there?) — Hopefully, as example, if I add a core Joomla custom html module to it, I can still edit it the good old way, by the Module manager?
Patrick Toulze wrote:3- Atom — non-visible Particles which provide scripting to your site. Analytics tracking, custom CSS / JavaScript, and other elements that need to run when the page loads but do not appear visually...Please see how easy we've made this " Page Settings "
Ok, I guess can be usefull... even if you have some fantastic plugins (Sourcerer and other) that can do just that with a great level of flexibility
Patrick Toulze wrote:2— My second question is just to test Gantry 5 with a small real example.Oh its easier than that. When you install the template there is a special Outline called "BASE OUTLINE" that has the default setup for a Logo Particle. This particle exists directly in the Layout Manager so a Joomla module position was not needed to display it.
I ALWAYS change the RT logo for a Core Joomla custom HTML module as, I want full control on is size, placement and multilingual apparence. I also need the edition of this custom html logo to be where it supposed to be, in the Joomla module Manager, with the onboard editor (JCE) or others
How to do with Gantry 5 ?
All the outlines will use the setup from this "BASE OUTLINE".
You are free to alter this Logo particle setup for any existing instance in an Outline or when you create new Outlines and Drag in a Logo particle.
1) You can Drag a Logo particle onto a Layout, that has had NO changes in the settings Tab for the Logo, and the BASE OUTLINE settings will be used.
2) You can alter the Logo in the settings tab of an Outline so that any time you drag a Logo particle into the Outlines Layout these settings will be used. This will be like an override for step 1).
3) You can alter the Logo at the Layout level of an Outline with settings you wish to use. Thsi will be an override of step 1) and then also step 2)
Patrick Toulze wrote:Will come back for more, I’m istalling a gantry 5 template today on my local environment to see...
We'll be here. Trust me...the learning curve isn't easy but once you start getting the hang of it you'll be amazed how quickly you can prototype a template!!!!
Some additional resources:
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Adding Articles to Gantry 5 Templates and Adding Featured Articles to Gantry 5 Templates
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Adding Modules in Gantry 5
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How to create Fixed Header for your Gantry 5 template
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Gantry 5 Template Particles
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How to use Page class suffixes in Gantry 5 - Last Edit: 9 years 2 months ago by DanG.
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Gantry 5 will work with many CMS's Joomla, Wordpress, and soon GRAV. Therefore some things are CMS agnostic but they enhance what a CMS can do and provide alternate ways of doing things too. If you use Joomla, then you can carry on with modules and assigning them to positions just as you always have, you don't have to use all the particles we provide (but you'll be missing out if you don't).
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a) A module position in Gantry 5 is just another particle. You can call them what you like and put them where you like. Then they behave just like the module positions that you are used to. They will all appear in the positions dropdown box in joomla module manager when creating or editing a module.
b) the positions shown in jooma module manager are all those module positions that exist in any of the layouts of your template. There isn't any thing else - all the positions are shown in the dropdown.
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1. ??? don't understand the question?
2. a module position is a particle into which you can assign any module that you like... that can include customHTML modules (which can contain scripts). You edit any of you modules in Joomla module manager just like you always have.
3. yes ? I missed the question?
2. Please read this tutorial on multi-language set-up in Gantry 5 http://docs.gantry.org/gantry5/tutorials/multilingual-site
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The easiest way to familiarize yourself with Gantry 5 is to install the RocketLauncher and get a sense of what the GUI interface of the Layout Manager looks like.
Then start creating content. If you get stuck then just create a post and we'll help you.
BTW - RokBox works great in Gantry 5
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