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Not such a big fan of Joomla After all
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- Brad Sambrano
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- Just want to get others opinions on Joomla 2.5. Is it just me or is this version thing starting to get really old. 1.6 1.7 and now 2.5. Having to re tool most of our code is not a fun thing and if this is going to be the path way of the Joomla CMS it might be time to seriously consider Drupal or Wordpress. I love 1.5 and its been a great CMS but all of these version changes cause a huge problem with clients and internal time to bring the code base up to standards. Is Joomla 2.5 even worth it ? The only huge advantage I see in the system is automatic updates and Nested Categories and most users wont even touch the user groups. Not to sure if all this is worth it in the end. Wordpress seems to be the standard in the CMS community. As much as I hate to say it the time might be coming to make a switch to Wordpress instead of porting to Joomla 2.5 I think this version changing is going to hurt the Joomla community. I already have colleges who have pushed Joomla to the side and have jumped on the Wordpress train. There are so many great things about Joomla but again if I have to deal with every this every 2 or 3 years it seriously isn't worth it.
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I guess that everybody has a right to have his own opinion.
I personally don't share your opinion because I really like Joomla and things are getting better and better every day. It is a great pleasure to see that developers are constantly adding new features and bug fixes in each new release.
Drupal is as, far as I can see, loosing his members base each day. WordPress for something that is little bit more complex than a blog is a real pain. Those two are not my preferred systems at all
This is just a humble opinion from someone who built more than 100 web sites on his own, all Joomla based
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- Brad Sambrano
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- I agree with what you are saying I think Joomla is the best of both worlds. Drupal is very very powerful and I dont see them loosing members at all. Wordpress is the giant here and it has become a full blown cms system. Is one better than another. I think they all have there uses. However If I have to recode my entire application over and over every 18 months that is not gonna fly by most developers. If you have 100's of clients like we do and they all want the upgrade version of Joomla it becomes a complete and total mess.
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- Gordon Sutton
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I am using all three. In my opinion they are meant to handle different business requirements. I cannot imagine doing a complex business site with anything but Joomla.
Updates are a way of life with all software. If the software is not updated with new features and with the technology, it becomes stale and stagnant and people move on to something else.
I don't like updates either as they mean more work. But after almost 50 years in the business, I can attest that it is a part of the job.
Brad Sambrano wrote:Just want to get others opinions on Joomla 2.5. Is it just me or is this version thing starting to get really old. 1.6 1.7 and now 2.5. Having to re tool most of our code is not a fun thing and if this is going to be the path way of the Joomla CMS it might be time to seriously consider Drupal or Wordpress. I love 1.5 and its been a great CMS but all of these version changes cause a huge problem with clients and internal time to bring the code base up to standards. Is Joomla 2.5 even worth it ? The only huge advantage I see in the system is automatic updates and Nested Categories and most users wont even touch the user groups. Not to sure if all this is worth it in the end. Wordpress seems to be the standard in the CMS community. As much as I hate to say it the time might be coming to make a switch to Wordpress instead of porting to Joomla 2.5 I think this version changing is going to hurt the Joomla community. I already have colleges who have pushed Joomla to the side and have jumped on the Wordpress train. There are so many great things about Joomla but again if I have to deal with every this every 2 or 3 years it seriously isn't worth it. - I probably did something wrong.
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- Brad Sambrano
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- Good Point G Sutton and very true , however it seems that Joomla is on a mission to change as many time as they can.
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- Tracey Snow
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I'm completely new to the Joomla/web dev community (I have been in the IT industry for 25 years though) but I will say that I think deprecating your LTS version at the 18 moth mark seems a little short.
Mist organizations (IBM, HP, CA for example… Microsoft, even longer) tend to support at least ‘n-1’ versions so I would think that it would be in their best interest to put 1.5 into "maintenance mode" and support it until 3.5 comes out. That would give people time to evaluate and upgrade where necessary. The idea that you have 1 month to upgrade or become unsupported seems a little draconian to me.
Personally, I think they should support all of the versions from previous LTE to new LTE (1.5, 1.6, 1.7 2.5, 3.0, 3.x) right up to the release of 3.5 where they could then drop support for everything prior to 2.5 but I would even be okay if they dropped everything between 1.5 and 2.5 as “incremental” updates to 2.5. Then, implementers would know to run large production sites only on the LTE versions, knowing they had a minimum 3 year window between forced upgrades.
Granted, this is a newly standardized release schedule for them so maybe it will evolve this way and this is a one-off to get everyone unsed to the x.5 LTS release schedule. I guess we shall see. - tms
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- Jason Kopacko
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- The biggest thing that everyone here needs to remember is that the new standards for 6 months, LTS, etc....were all voted on by the Joomla community on their site. Right?
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Jason
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- Brad Sambrano
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The amount of time and grief its going to take me to take 100's of clients with all different needs and update them to Joomla 2.5 and than have to do it once again in another 18 months is beyond insane. If I start now I might finish just in time to start working on the next version in 18 months. Its a constantly cylce of rinse and repeat. Its not worth it and the money in the long run wont be there.
Its very discouraging because I have sold Joomla to many a clients over the years over other CMS systems such as Wordpress and Drupal. And I honestly feel that Joomla is as powerful as any of them but has a simplicity factors the others don't posses. I understand the need for change and updating but how is Wordpress pushing forward without making huge updates every 18 months. - Last Edit: 13 years 4 months ago by Brad Sambrano.
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- Jason Kopacko
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I am in the same boat as you...I am still upgrading sites from 1.5 to 1.7. Over time the upgrade process will get easier and require less work (not counting custom CSS, etc).
But, fortunately, I've built hourly rates into my agreements, so I just give my customer the low-down and let them decided when they want it. - Thank you,
Jason
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