Cookie legeslation
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- Roger Goswell
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With the legislation coming in can you let me know what joomla/wordpress options are going to be affected by this and what options there are going to be available
www.cookielaw.org/
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- Cliff Pfeifer
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To me it looks like the only option is to have a cookie opt in display on your site. Everything that is user based in Joomla and Wordpress, and other web based platforms, uses cookies, not necessarily to track or collect user data, but to keep track of user settings and personalizations, log in status, sessions ECT.
It seems like this would be pretty difficult to enforce and the responsibility to comply with it would fall on the website administrator. This is UK legislation and we are US based, so I don't know that there will be any solutions provided from us. Seems a bit like overkill to me and I doubt they'll be going after the average website user, it's more targeted towards malicious usage. Just my take on it after reading the link. - The difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer.
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- Roger Goswell
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I believe that too. and seems to me to be more targeted at business's
I work for a business that uses several wordpress sites so will have to see how this all plays out
I think 3.4 wordpress is heading to comply in some way but no idea as of yet
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- prim
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We have had this law quite some time now and the only sites that has this opt-in option are government sites.
All other sites just have a little info-box or link which tells what the cookies are for.
Something like: "This site uses cookies to handle logins and for site statistics. No personal data is saved."
Lots of sites are still unchanged though. Nobody seems to care.
Personally i think it's enough with a few lines that tells people what the cookies are for. If people were concerned about cookies they would have used browser plugins that does a better job than any stupid law. - Please reply with a direct link to the issue & create a new thread for each new issue.
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- PR123
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Seems to me RocketTheme should be more on-the-ball about this.
This is Europe wide EU law, and basically everything RocketTheme on joomla and wordpress is non-compliant because 99% of joomla and wordpress sites are non-compliant. Additionally many plugins are not compliant, and legally you need to ask for consent for each plugin that uses cookie sessions. For plugins that use many sessions (fabrik I'm looking at you) you need to ask authorisation each time for each session.
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http://nocookielaw.com/[/url]
Data Commissioner starts handing out fines Monday, so you've got the weekend to fix it. GLHF
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- Cliff Pfeifer
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Hi, any legal issues concerning your website are your responsibility. There isn't much we can do to help you with this. At this point in time, I don't see us removing cookies from our themes or extensions just to comply with legislation in one region of the world. Many of our members are completely unaffected by this, and our products would not function the same. Not to say that something might be adjusted in the future, but I doubt any changes will happen before Monday.
Unfortunately, we do not make the laws, we just make the products. If you have to put notices on your site to use them due to laws in your area, that is beyond our control. - The difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer.
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- Timbo
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I can see your point here Cliff.
I would say it certainly falls onto the website owner to come up with a solution and I am investigating the level of compliance I need to take for my Joomla and Wordpress sites now.
The first step of this is to perform a cookie audit - to see what cookies are used.
The second is to provide a clear communication to visitors of what is used on the site and what for.
The third step is unclear for me whether I take it but would be the full opt in, I guess via the Joomla Cookie Monster plug in or similar for Wordpress.
The first two would be seen as working towards the law and would be the minimum I would do.
What I'm struggling with is the first part! I'm fine using Joomla but the code behind it is something I can't claim to understand.
Can this be done via Firebug or something? or perhaps RT would consider identifying any cookies that are used in their plug ins and themes?
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- WBoro
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I hate ill-conceived laws like this, that cause such disruption without providing workable solutions. There certainly are organizations that abuse cookies for tracking purposes, but they can only do that because the browser companies make it technically possible.
Before laws like this are implemented, the same governing body who wrote it should be required to perform an economic impact study to identify what the law will cost the affected people to comply.
Greg
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- Keke
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"At this point in time, I don't see us removing cookies from our themes or extensions just to comply with legislation in one region of the world"
Typical american attitude as the world starts at Alaska and ends in New Mexico apparently.
Most template theme builders does not just offer its template services to US customers and ideally you want to sell templates to all regions to make your business more successful? I do not see a clause "for american use only" anywhere on this site.
So it would be awfully ignorant to not keep an eye on laws which your users may find issues with on using your templates and possibly monetize that in assisting with a plugin or component?
The fact is that the EU is fed up with large corperations (often based in the US, Facebook, Amazon, Google, but not all) stealing data from people without their knowledge or authority. The cookie law mainly affects non essential 3rd party cookies....tracking cookies, analytics, social media.
So if anybody cared to be informed and knowledgable they would know that cookie removal from templates is not the issue.
You have to state which cookies are being used entirely and cart functions, template settings or login data are exempt from consentual usage anyway. Its the third party cookies that can set on an implied or consentual basis. Originally, all cookie permission had to be set before site usage but the EU have back tracked so cookies can be set but turned off afterwards providing a check is displayed.
The are a number of javascript modules we have written to analyze site cookies and implement a privacy cookie setting to accept or decline cookie usage here in the EU.
There might be a point where EU Joomla users just go to the template providers in the EU as they are now implementing cookie check scripts. Obviously, that wont bother Rocket Theme. - http://www.kent-website-designer.co.uk/
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- Henning
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arent there enough on the JED?
extensions.joomla.org/extensions/site-management/cookie-control
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