SOLVED 2.5 templates easy to transform in 3.0?
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- Patrick Toulze
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I’m trying to find infos on how difficult it will be to transform Rocket 2.5 templates to 3.0. As we are on a fast pace evolution for Joomla.
I just like to have an overview of what are the implication to transform actual 2.5 template to 3 and what the Rocket Team will do to help us with the transition?
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- Cliff Pfeifer
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Hi, at this point we can't really say for sure. While we've been keeping an eye on it, the release is still a bit in the distance. What little information I've seen about it indicates that all templates will need to be updated to work in the Joomla 3 format. Bootstrapping is a big thing in Joomla 3, which changes things a lot, but with templates, the major consideration is the formatting. If that changes, and I've read that it will, all the templates have to be updated. How much they need to change and what needs to be done to make them compatible remains to be seen.
I would imagine that the process on our end will be similar to the 2.5 conversion. We'll probably release new templates that use the new format shortly after the official release, then work backwards to update the existing templates from newest to oldest. How long it takes to get back through them largely depends on the amount of work involved. As I personally updated several of our 1.5 templates to 2.5 versions, I can say that process was very time consuming, we still haven't gotten through all of the legacy themes yet. It takes time, especially considering the large number of Joomla products we have.
We're all hoping this next transition is a bit easier, but we're completely at the mercy of what the Joomla devs give us to work with - as is everyone else who uses Joomla. With any major platform upgrade, it's best to hold off a bit on transitioning live sites while they work out the bugs in the initial releases and the third party developers play catch up. It never works right the first time around in my experience. Testing, tinkering and planning is one thing, but use some haste before jumping into an upgrade with both feet. I would say give it a solid 3 months after release before you can expect everything to be up to par. Just my opinion and experience. - The difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer.
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- Patrick Toulze
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Thanks, this answer my question... Hopefully (for the Joomla platform) will be seeing some stability into the horizon. Their only real stable version is still 1.5...
But in their infinite wisdom they decide to loose the support without having a stable replacement — Really interesting strategy to will probably disengage most of their more business-wise adepts to more stable solution like Wordpress.
Great move Joomla....
On a positive note, I can see in those changes the capacity for Joomla to become even greater than before... - Graphic Designer - Marketing -Web Sites — Trying to become a decent human being.
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- Cliff Pfeifer
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I hear you, just giving my take on it. The last year of seeing what happened behind the scenes with the whole 1.6, 1.7, 2.5 scenario has provided some perspective on how this affects average users as well as developers.
On one hand, it's good to advance the capabilities and take advantage of new technology and security measures. On the other hand, it's a bit frustrating to have to go through a painful and time consuming migration once a year to keep current, which seems to be the standard Joomla is setting with it's development schedule. Users have to wait for upgrades, and developers have to bust ass to get them out, as everyone is complaining about them not being available. Then people have to pay for the upgrades, and we have to support different versions and work on old themes in addition to developing new ones. Some older products don't make the cut to get an upgrade, now we've got more complaints to deal with. It's definitely hard on both sides.
After living through the last year of upgrades my advice is this: Pay less attention to the release date of the new version, and more attention to the end of life date of the current version you are using. This is the timeline you have to upgrade your site before security releases are no longer available and support is dropped by Joomla and all developers.
Plus, thinking that any developer will have compatible versions of anything on the exact release date of an upgrade is pure fantasy. We do not get the final version one second sooner than anyone else does, and until we get the final version, we can't complete the final testing. Getting upgrades out is not magic, it takes a lot of work on our end and patience is required on your end.
If the past is any indicator of things to come, I'm sure we'll get the first compatibility complaints about 5 seconds after the release, so I hope a lot of people read this and take what I'm saying into consideration
I'm sure this will be a topic of debate from here until the end of time.
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- Patrick Toulze
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Thank’s to understand my concern. I try to expose them to the Joomla Team without to much success and I can’t wait to all that to stabilize. Like that, I can go back to the business of creating web sites.
Talking in Dev’s blogs you can see a high level of critics on the Joomla roadmap strategy by the most important players in the game.
Imagine a site dev that rely on Joomla to build web sites. What can I offer to my customer today ?
• 1.5 - the only stable and complete solution — But soon will not be supported
• 2.5 - No complete solution (worst for multilingual), getting there — But soon with 3.0 will probably need extensive work to be upgrade
• 3.0 and beyond - When Joomla Dev will put the same type of stunts - Who knows.
Personally, I thinks that the actual Joomla Team loose touch of what Joomla is used for today and are relatively detach of the more commercial branch that are the real motors behind the platform.
Maybe somebody should branch Joomla to another direction where the end users will have a little more says on the development.
I’m playing around with a 2.5 site and I like what I see, but such instability make me nervous. - Graphic Designer - Marketing -Web Sites — Trying to become a decent human being.
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- Henning
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(worst for multilingual) ... explain that ... im curious ...
1.5 didnt have any real lang support.
2.5 has that ... and tit's working ok for me.
Plus there are solutions like Josetta.
NOBODY should start a fresh 1.5 site now imho.
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I agree with Henning. 1.5 is already dead in my mind, 2.5 is definitely better. Personally, I skipped 1.6 and 1.7 and waited for 2.5 to come out before using it on live sites, that's pretty much the point of what I'm saying. Wait for stability and when the time is right, make the change and move forward.
I would imagine that if Joomla keeps making things hard for people, there will be some that migrate to Wordpress. I often get asked to compare the two and there are few areas where one is flat out better than the other. In the area of upgrades, Wordpress is far easier to maintain and update. But I also know Joomla users switching to Wordpress looking for an easier route will be in for a surprise. Upgrading may be easier, but that's about it. Pick your poison, they all come with pitfalls, we're just along for the ride. - The difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer.
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Joomfish was a top of the line multilingual solution branch to Joomla 1.5 - No compromise — Almost perfect.
I’m working on a 2.5 template right know — It’s a heavily customize Ionosphere. Almost ready to go with the most other important next test to make it multilingual.
Josetta was my preferred choice (just find it few days ago....) to implement multilingual as it don’t try to reinvent the wheel and go along with Joomla.
I don’t think that the plain Joomla solution is easy enough to be maintain by a site owner (even if I have not to much experience (Yet) and Simplicity should be the goal for any CMS. A content Management System that ask to much knowledge to maintain and are difficult in is ergonomic miss the point completely. The build-in solution seem good but complicate.
I’m maybe wrong and I cannot really talk about it to much as I’m just learning multilingual with 2.5....
Do you have experience with Josetta ? - Graphic Designer - Marketing -Web Sites — Trying to become a decent human being.
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