Where are the PSDs???Please do not tell me nooooooooo
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- rawraj
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I see there are no PSDs.
I see a Fireworks section in the boards but not photoshop section.
I know I did not cross check, i just assumed, but it cant be!!!
Please don't tell me there are no PSD sources for the templates please please please.
I stopped using fireworks long ago. I had to edit a 5 year old site I done in fireworks and after struggling with fireworks and finishing job i got so confused when I was working on photoshop.
I work on keyboard shortcuts in photoshop!!!
Its been 3 years since I worked on fireworks and its a pain to convert fireworks to photoshop. There used to be a convert icon before but in the new version of fireworks I have I do not see an export to photoshop options at all.
This is the end of me on rocketheme if it only supports png that work only fireworks.
I am glad I took a 2 month subscription instead of directly going in for the developer membership.
Someone please tell me this is not true.
I mean do rocket theme desingers desing on fireworks only. Why don't they hire a photoshop expert to convert the themes to psd.
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- James Spencer
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We use Adobe Fireworks and its PNG format for all our source files. This has been the case from the beginning.
This discussion is raised every so often and a detailed response that you may wish to read is at www.rockettheme.com/forum/index.php?t=32..._v=viewtopic#p178347
We simply do not provide PSD sources, Photoshop doesn't have all the tools we require for the designs we create so we will always use Fireworks.
Fireworks isn't that difficult to use once you get used to it, and for the simple changes, colours etc..., it really isn't hard, as all image editors tend to follow similar mechanics for the basic processes. If you are trying to do something more complex, by all means use Photoshop, the tool you are most comfortable with. You don't need Fireworks to customise the templates, it just helps.
However only you can say whether using Fireworks is going to be too much of a hassle for it to be worth while. - James Spencer / Developer & Support / Hull, UK
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- rawraj
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No offence James
But i was expecting the exact same response.
It is obvious from the presence of the fireworks forum and the absence of a photoshop forum that you guys only use fireworks.
I feel a little deceived though, there is no explicit mention of it anywhere.
I know I can go there and blow everyone of the reasons out there in that thread, since I am an ex fire-works user.
There was a time when used to cry when I would never find PNG source for designs, but there is one thing you can easily port graphics from photoshop to fireworks, but not the other way round.
I tried changing the colors of the menu in affinity I think I have work backwords that is take the actual exported menu background open in photoshop and start creating my own psds for everything.
Thats it I think I will be off this site after two months.
I know i can do stuff in firworks too but there is a learning curve.
The shortcuts keys are not the same. So it is going to obviously take longer to do what I could have done in minutes in photoshop.
People do the same in fireworks is not the argument. The fact is that I am screwed here. Cause there is a learning curve for fireworks and after I cross that learning curve it will be confusing when I work in photoshop for my other work.
You cannot keep switching between the two. I tried it once when i had to do some 3D models, it was not 3dmax/Maya 3D but actually just some simple stage setups. Firefox is very good in vectors and you have ready made 3D boxes, cones and cylinders which was pretty much what I needed. I had to incorporate logos into that.
Whenever I came back to photoshop i was struggling with the keys. Fumbling in the menus.
Takes me some time to get used to fireworks menus and options and then when I am back to photoshop again I need some time get used to it.
But then I would not call vector editing an advantage because you cannot beat illustrator when It comes to vector editing. So fireworks can be done away with totally it is useless.
I still wonder as to why Adobe did not kill it.
Thanks for the response
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- Rae French
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Hello Rawraj,
You are not limited to using Fireworks. I use Photoshop. I have from the beginning. Just use the templates for the layout. Don't worry about the layer editing. For the graphics, just copy it to a new psd file and edit it to what you want.
They use Fireworks at RT for the special effects and layers but you don't need to really bother with that. I also like Photoshop a whole lot better than Fireworks. There are some Photoshop tutorials out there that can show you how to do many of the special effects that Fireworks does.
RocketTheme templates are the best available for Joomla so you made a good decision with that. Don't get swayed away because they use Fireworks and you use Photoshop. In the end, it really doesn't matter.
Best wishes,
Rae - Best wishes,
Rae
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- rawraj
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James I commented there too.
I mean I understand that you guys(RT) are experts in what you do and since you have been doing it on fireworks it would be unfair to ask you to change that.
But then dont you think it is unfair for you to ask us to change from photoshop to fireworks.
i have given a solutions there which I am surpised RT never though off.
Why not hire a photoshop expert and give delayed releases of PSD sources
Or even outsource the job. I have seen some brilliant Photoshop experts who convert anything to PSD(convert means they actually recreate it) their prices are really reasonable and some of them even get it done in 8 hours.
I am sure you could find someone to do that.
Why be so uptight and stubborn about this?
I just want to be able to change the template color in minutes without having to press CTRL alt 0 and then wonder what the hell just happened I just wanted to view my design in actual pixels,,,,,and then you realize oh dang you are fireworks.
There is no way any photoshop user is going be switching between FW and photoshop. Trust me atleast not me.
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- Kristian Andersen
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As a professional designer (8 years in web and graphic design) I have to say it's nonsense that Firework is better than Photoshop. Photoshop can do exatly the same as Fireworks. That is if you know your way around Photoshop
I also feel it' a bit of a shame there's no PSD's but as mentioned above it's not that hard to edit in Photoshop.
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- rawraj
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Rae French wrote:
Hello Rawraj,
You are not limited to using Fireworks. I use Photoshop. I have from the beginning. Just use the templates for the layout. Don't worry about the layer editing. For the graphics, just copy it to a new psd file and edit it to what you want.
They use Fireworks at RT for the special effects and layers but you don't need to really bother with that. I also like Photoshop a whole lot better than Fireworks. There are some Photoshop tutorials out there that can show you how to do many of the special effects that Fireworks does.
RocketTheme templates are the best available for Joomla so you made a good decision with that. Don't get swayed away because they use Fireworks and you use Photoshop. In the end, it really doesn't matter.
Best wishes,
Rae
Please read my other comment.
I have stated that I am not willing to go the firworks way. i have tried working on fireworks and photoshop simultaneously before and trust me I ended up getting confused in photoshop(which I use mainly for other graphic design works and I cannot afford to risk "slow speed" there).
That is the only reason.
Also you have actually supprted me my point. Yes I agree there are many tutorials out there, not only tutorials it is very easy(if you learn how and learning takes time) to re-create a fireworks PNG.
I am suggesting that RT should hire a photoshop designer who can do that.
I have spent years and years of tutorials(time and money) of photoshop and now the last thing I want to do is learn how to do something that will only be helpful in this site.
While the rest of the world still provides and uses PSD(and many company also offer PNG in a bid to attract fireworks users to their templates and I think RT should do the opposite)
RT should provide PSDS too. All it takes is one extra photoshop desinger or like you said let them look up the tutorials and let them convert and give it to us.
Right now all I need to do is the color change. If it was a PSD I would have changed it in minutes. And I would have changed the layout in minutes or an hour maximum.
Sorry to say what I have found here is that people just do not how to create a Joomla template. I know how. Its very easy.
RT is used mostly just for the layout. Then why bother making it look so good why spend so much time(and charge us so much) for something which we are not expected to us.
That is what you are saying Rae that we really do not need the sources, just stil to using the layout??
Why bother creating a PSD.
For me a the tough job of creating a joomla template is creating the SOURCE graphic. You have to have a vision of how it is all going to be displayed by joomla. You have to know if you are going to use a particular effect how you are going to display it in joomla using css.
That takes time.
I know because I have created Joomla templates from a scratch
www.webtravisions.com/apollo
www.webtravisions.com/patient
Trust me you can make layouts 3 column 4 column nested modules its all easy and then using jdocs is really easy. It just took me one sitting on the joomla site to figure out. Why am I here then(I am just giving you this argument because you are trying to tell me its easy to work with photoshop)
I know how to make layout.
To make such splendind looking layout takes time. thats why it takes even the best in the business(RT) months to finalize a template before releasing it.
All I want to save the time save all the hassles. I see it the template I just go in and edit the psd change a few color move a few things around and in minutes my template is ready.
I know how it is exactly going to "workout" when exported in photoshop. I have to still figure that out in Fireworks.
BTW way I never have ever exported slices in fireworks even though I started of on fireworks. Because I would just export it to dreamweaver. (that is why I stuck with fireworks for more than a year, the seamless integration with dreamweaver). and then kept on editing the graphics from inside dreamweaver.
So right now when I looked at the affinity menu PNG source I am seeing stars.
I tried editing it but I do not know how the style really works.
Then I see there are no slices in it. Finding view slices is taking time. Still no slices.
I looked towards template to do my work faster and to take up more work. Not because I do not know how to make joomla templates. The graphics are amazing I want to make amazing graphics fast.
That is why i am using templates.
I think I am better off using a normal template site cause I can convert it to joomla(but not all templates are convertable so you need to look at the PSD and make it out and it takes time sometimes after you do that also you find it does not work inside joomla)
But it takes time so that I why I turned to a template site. They know exactly what works I do not have to spend time even though I also exactly knows what works. Templates sites spend months or a month releasing a template. I pay them to save that month and concentrate or use the time save to add more functionality to my site.
I do not want to waste time learning fireworks and then slowing down the speed on which I work on photoshop in the process(because you get all confused with keyboard shortcuts and different menu/windows/panels)
Again I am suggesting why cannot RT re-create the psd and "rope" us all in. Keep the photoshop user happy and save us the agony
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- rawraj
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Kristian Andersen wrote:
As a professional designer (8 years in web and graphic design) I have to say it's nonsense that Firework is better than Photoshop. Photoshop can do exatly the same as Fireworks. That is if you know your way around Photoshop
I also feel it' a bit of a shame there's no PSD's but as mentioned above it's not that hard to edit in Photoshop.
I know its not hard, but lets say I want to a whole lotta changes then I will have become an expert in fireworks and photoshop too.
That is a little difficult since I(and many other photoshop users) are used to keyboard shortcuts. power shortcuts
and they do not work in fireworks.
Also the menu layout/panels difference.
Styles are totally different in fireworks it is only going to get confusing. I know i have done it before and I have suffered. I had to stop doing it.(I used fireworks to create 3d stage models, they needed to only see the jpeg so creating in 3Dmax would be a waste of time and money, so I used the fireworks 3d boxes and cylinders and got the job done but it was a pain when going back to photoshop and then back it was worse)
Kirsteen I am glad you agree and also to re-iterate your point. Anything is possible on both. Its not like one is better than the other. It all boils down to what your are comfortable with. RT is comfortable with fireworks let them use it and release PNGS.
But since almost everyone agree that what can be done on fireworks can also be done on photoshop. Why does not RT hire a photoshop desinger to re-create their PNG in photoshop and release it later(Also i can be outsourced)
I want to discuss on this.
This discussion or the point I am making is not which is better or I am not asking(like other do and I feel it is ridiculous to ask RT to change the way they work) RT to switch to photoshop.
But after templates are done released it can re-created in PSD and I think RT should give the customer this benefit.
It would make their site more attractive to hardcore photoshop users.
AND the same way we cannot ask RT to change its software which their desinger have mastered for years, i think it is fair enough that RT does not expect its customers to do the same(that is change from photoshop which we have mastered for years). Just re-create it by an expert photoshop desinger and release it with every template(simultaneuously all previous templates should also be re-created in photoshop)
Then Rockettheme will be the best template site around. for both fireworks and photoshop.
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- Tyndie
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- RT shouldn't change the tool of their choice, just because of your pure laziness to learn how to use it. It is not that difficult to learn how to use it to make edits to templates.
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