SOLVED: Solar Sentinel - Google "update timing" too bad
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- rafael.r
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SUMMARY
Problem: a news Website [at http://www.juruaonline.com.br ] using Solar Sentinel is taking more than a week to have new content indexed by Google
Team Rocket view's: "I doubt the template is your problem, they really don't affect your SEO status 'that much'. Other aspects will most likely be the actual cause". [see previous discussion at http://www.rockettheme.com/forum/index.php?f=15&t=73844&rb_v=viewtopic ]
"Other aspects" already considered (solution attempts that not solved the problem): (1) XML sitemap generated using Igoomap sent to Google's Webmaster Tools; (2) a Joomla's specific sitemap extension was installed and also linked to Google's Webmaster Tools; (3) Several links from bigger sites were obtained; (4) RSS Syndication was not working properly, but the problem was fixed, (5) Turnned on SEF URLs.
Remaining hypothesis to be tested (1) TO PUBLISH ARTICLES IN THE FRONT PAGE - I am not publishing articles directly in Frontpage, but showing them using RokStories (older version), RokMicroNews and RokNewsPager. I published one article yesterday, for testing, but nothing changed - unfortunatelly I got no answer on another topic concerning number of columns [ at http://www.rockettheme.com/forum/index.php?f=192&t=74068&rb_v=viewtopic and had to unpublish the article cause it was not fitting well in the page. (2) TO CHANGE THE TEMPLATE - Altough the Team RocketTeam disagree, I think that yes, the problem is with the Solar Sentinel template, and I am not the first one - see www.rockettheme.com/forum/index.php?f=19..._v=viewtopic#p362538
MESSAGE
Hello fellows,
First of all, I'd like to justify my decision of starting a new topic on this issue. I am sure you understand that for a News website is very important to have the latest content indexed by Google, Yahoo and the other major search engine as soon as possible. So it is important for any webmaster to understand the requirements to be sucessfully crawlled by Google. But, what is "sucessfully" in the case? "Sucess" for a news website is to get new content indexed by Google ASAP, to have the latest news published with a "4 hours ago" tag in the Google's result page. This is the meaning of "success" here.
As you may read at http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/timing-googles-crawl.html :If Google relied entirely on the deep crawl, its index would quickly become outdated in the rapidly shifting Web. To stay current, Google launches various supplemental fresh crawls that skim the Web more shallowly and frequently than the deep crawl. These supplementary spiders (automated software programs that travel from link to link one the Web, collecting content from online pages) do not update the entire index, but they freshen it by updating the content of some sites. Google does not divulge its fresh-crawling schedules or targets, but Webmasters can get an indication of the crawl's frequency through sharp observance.
Google has no obligation to touch any particular URL with a fresh crawl. Sites can increase their chance of being crawled often, however, by changing their content and adding pages frequently. Remember the shallowness aspect of the fresh crawl; Google might dip into the home page of your site (the front page, or index page) but not dive into a deep exploration of the site's inner pages. (You may, for example, notice that a new index page of your site appears in Google within a day of your updates, while a new inner page added at the same time may be missing.) But Google's spider can compare previous crawl results with the current crawl, and if it learns from the top navigation page that new content is added regularly, it might start crawling the entire site during its frequent visits.
Considered the article above, I understand that is not an "obligation" for the Team RocketTheme to guarantee that a given site will often receive Google's fresh crawls. In the other hand, a too bad update timing (> 7 days for new content to get indexed while I see lots of very simple sites to have their content getting indexed in a few hours).
Best regards,
Rafael - Last Edit: 15 years 8 months ago by rafael.r.
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- Emma griffith
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It certainly has nothing to do with the template 100% not possible - No 1 you have 688 pages indexed by Google so it certainly is is indexing your site last index was Aug 30th.
Your robots.txt file does not give the location of your sitemap.xml this can help greatly in directories finding your new content.
You have no links to the site this can make huge differences in how often and deep you are crawled none in Google anyway.
The server you are on is painfully slow, this can also greatly effect your crawl status as users get tired of waiting so do bots.
You have a few poison words in your content probably not related but watch out for them.
There is a lot you need to be doing to build a site that is indexed often, don't be so quick to blame the tools as often it is not the tool but the worker that is at fault.
In actual fact 7 days for fresh content is pretty darn good if you are talking full index, but have you tried Googeling a title of a new piece of content you have written a few hours after posting it, you will often find it is listed although an index crawl has not yet taken place... Hence the shallow crawl
Edit: also it looks like Yahoo does not like your site, wont let me index the URL either it has been tagged as a problem site or maybe it is just a Yahoo bug although not getting the same error with our own sites
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- rafael.r
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Thanks again. You are pointing relevant issues and helping me to continue advancing.
Although I recognize I am not an expert in this area, I think I have the right to ask the RocketTheme team when something seems to be wrong.
I solved the issue you pointed about robots.txt and I will check the server problem, although for me it is pretty fast - and I am in Europe right now. I will continue searching for the cause of not getting fresh google crawllings in the new articles. I hope I will be able to post here the solution I found in the future and that the problem IS NOT the template.
By the way, THERE ARE links to the site but they do not appear in Google Webmaster Tools. Can you think of a reason for that? - Last Edit: 15 years 8 months ago by rafael.r.
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- Emma griffith
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I totally agree with your point of being able to ask if there are issues completely respect that, just the issue has been raised before and answered and many did voice the fact that the template is not the issue.
You seem to be a mad panic over having your content indexed instantly or with little delay. It takes time to build a site that search engines see as a resource to index regularly.
I think you just need to calm down and concentrate on building exposure for your site, as it gains popularity the search engines will visit you more often, but as I said your site was indexed on the 30th Aug
You must see the importance of off site optimisation it is currently looked upon as the 80/20 rule. Google places 80% of it's weight on offsite and the 20% on-site optimisation. If your write new content and then promote that content with links running back you will be on your way to a site that is indexed more often. If your site is under a year old it is going to be an uphill battle to gain high popularity, domain age is quite important for the average site.
If you were an affiliate marketer who was complaining he was making no sales, and looking to the site to blame for it I would say stop worrying about the site and spend time promoting your product.
Your website is your product, and you need to promote that product to many channels to then gain page rank, and importance to the SERP's. As time passes and you have link popularity you will find it all coming together. The time you have taken to write these posts could of been used to write posts about your new content and begin what is needed to reach your goal of having your new content indexed faster.
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- rafael.r
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I thank you again for your attention. Once more I will pay attention to your suggestions. But I think your perceptions expressed in expressions like "mad panic" are wrong and even a little bit aggressive. Sorry if I didnt understand you and also did not express myself properly. As you know, my native language is not English.
I was just pointing that I suspected that SolarSentinel has a SEO problem - others tought that before too and it is not a "crime" to suppose that, even if it can be shown that I am wrong. Sorry if you had already answered that before, I was not doubting your opinion when I started a new topic on the issue.
Morevover, I am not an affiliate marketer complaining or trying to justify anythig, I know my limitations... in conclusion, I am just an average customer that was looking for technical advice. And, as I said, even a small site launched 2 weeks ago gets fresh updates (like hours ago) and I can not understand why. And that is the point. I see a have lots of things to do, like anyone else, and now will go back to work.
I hope to come back here in the future to recognize that you were completely right. - Last Edit: 15 years 8 months ago by rafael.r.
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- Emma griffith
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Rafeal, maybe I am confusing you a little with English not being your first language, using the affiliate marketer was an analogy to help you understand why your product (website) might not be getting indexed as fast as you want it to.
I am not being aggressive I am just stating the fact that for your site to be indexed more frequently has nothing to do with the template and everything to do with marketing your product (your website)
So I hope mine and other technical advice held within the other posts on the same subject helps you in your quest for better traffic and quicker indexing.
Good luck with your site.
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- rafael.r
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I am happy to say that after doing everything mentioned in this topic and in the other cited herein, the site now is receiving Google's fresh crawls and the new content is indexed very fastly with the "hours ago" tags.
So, I recognize that THE TEMPLATE IS NOT THE PROBLEM.
Thank you for all your help.
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