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    • I was reading in Newsweek that gas will reach 6 dollars by the end of the year for the United States
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    Re: What do you pay for gas?

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    Re: What do you pay for gas?

    Posted 16 years 5 months ago
    • Hopefully the prices double again.

      Short term pain it is, but consider that there has probably been more funding poured into the search for alternative energy in the last 3yrs then there has been for the last 20.

      Another 2 to 5yrs of this and we will see better electric and hybrid cars, more efficient solar panels, better technology to harvest energy(biofuels) from algae and other non-food fauna etc etc.

      As is, a few dusty countries in the middle east and a few oil corporations have us all by the balls.

      I look forward to the day when those countries no longer hold so much relevance to us and I don't have to see some crap about the middle east every time I turn on BBC news.

      Disclaimer: I don't have a car :D
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    Posted 16 years 5 months ago
    • No Oil = No *gas* for cars.

      Cars change to run off other fuel source or even just from batteries. Price will still be high, I can guarantee it.
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    Re: What do you pay for gas?

    Posted 16 years 5 months ago
    • Maybe, or maybe not :)

      Why I reckon they will eventually drop:

      Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" will eventually bring prices down to levels consumers are happy with.
      There are a few variations of the invisible hand theory, and this is one of them:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_hand wrote:
      The theory of the Invisible Hand states that if each consumer is allowed to choose freely what to buy and each producer is allowed to choose freely what to sell and how to produce it, the market will settle on a product distribution and prices that are beneficial to the all individual members of a community, and hence to the community as a whole. The reason for this is that greed will drive actors to beneficial behavior. Efficient methods of production will be adopted in order to maximize profits. Low prices will be charged in order to undercut competitors. Investors will invest in those industries that are most urgently needed to maximize returns, and withdraw capital from those that are less efficient in creating value. Students will be guided to prepare for the most needed (and therefore most remunerative) careers. And all these effects will take place dynamically and automatically.

      In the short term the market can be manipulated, such as by speculation...
      Google "high oil prices speculation" and you'll find many financial news sites and various experts think that the current high prices are caused by speculation. Artificial price hikes are never sustainable so eventually they will come down.

      But over the long term... the profit motive will draw people to come up with alternatives.

      Of course an alternative was found way back in 1990... the electric car... but that was killed by oil and auto companies. Find out about it in the documentary " Who Killed the Electric Car? "
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      If $3-a-gallon gasoline doesn't make you hate the big oil companies, the shocking revelations in Chris Paine's thought-provoking documentary Who Killed the Electric Car? will.
      Watch the preview wikipedia wrote:
      The film explores some of the reasons that the auto and oil industries worked to kill off the electric car. Wally Rippel is shown explaining that the oil companies were afraid of losing out on trillions in potential profit from their transportation fuel monopoly over the coming decades, while the auto companies were afraid of losses over the next six months of EV production.

      It's the best documentary I've seen in a while. Watch it.

      Anyway... this sort of disruption is only temporary.. eventually all things balance out.

      Believe in the Invisible Hand. ;)

      Sorry to go OT Mike, I will find out what the local prices are the next time I go into town :)
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    Re: What do you pay for gas?

    Posted 16 years 5 months ago
    • GollumX wrote:
      Hopefully the prices double again.

      Short term pain it is, but consider that there has probably been more funding poured into the search for alternative energy in the last 3yrs then there has been for the last 20.

      Another 2 to 5yrs of this and we will see better electric and hybrid cars, more efficient solar panels, better technology to harvest energy(biofuels) from algae and other non-food fauna etc etc.

      As is, a few dusty countries in the middle east and a few oil corporations have us all by the balls.

      I look forward to the day when those countries no longer hold so much relevance to us and I don't have to see some crap about the middle east every time I turn on BBC news.

      Disclaimer: I don't have a car :D

      Quoted for the truth :D
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    Posted 16 years 5 months ago
    • Most Electricity in US is produced using Coal and Fossil Fuel and 20% thru Nuclear (0 Pollution). Changing Nuclear percentage to 50% will be equivalent to removing all the Cars from US roads. US has more Oil reserve than whole middle east. If US starts drilling now in couple of years Gas price in US will be back to under $2. So, answer is more drilling and Nuclear for Electricity.

      Electricity Cars are a Sham they will just shift pollution from your backyard to some rural area which you can not see.
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    Posted 16 years 5 months ago
    • In South Africa we pay 11.50 ZAR ($1.44) per litre.
      An interesting fact is that our government announce a change to our fuel prices every 1st wednesday of the month. Depending on various factors it can be increased (or decreased) on a monthly basis. They usually increase the prices with +- 50 cents for a couple of months and then decrease the price by 10 cents for one month.
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    Re: What do you pay for gas?

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    • Balpreet Bhamra wrote:
      Most Electricity in US is produced using Coal and Fossil Fuel and 20% thru Nuclear (0 Pollution). Changing Nuclear percentage to 50% will be equivalent to removing all the Cars from US roads. US has more Oil reserve than whole middle east. If US starts drilling now in couple of years Gas price in US will be back to under $2. So, answer is more drilling and Nuclear for Electricity.

      Electricity Cars are a Sham they will just shift pollution from your backyard to some rural area which you can not see.

      If there were more nuclear facilities as you mention in the future, and they powered electric cars, where would the pollution shift to? :)

      Watch the documentary I mentioned in my previous post... it'll change your view of electric cars. In any case, that is for further up the chain. At the root is power generation, and nuclear fuel is a cleaner and a good option... but even cleaner then both : http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/05/19/pickens.qa/ . This CNN article is a perfect example of what I mentioned in my first post... there is now massive investment into alternative energy as a result of the how fuel prices. There are many other examples. One project apparently involves enormous floating wind farms far out at sea.

      As for your comment about US oil, my understanding is that most of this is up north in Alaska. If the US started drilling up there, I'd sell the few possessions I have and come over to camp on capitol hill myself. >:( :)


      EDIT:
      Heheheh... see what popped up on Digg this morning:
      Should we be focusing on making oil cheap, or obsolete?
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