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- Peter Osipof
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CG Icon wrote:
sadly we live in a world of whimps that feel they have a right to not have their feelings hurt and that words need to be banned.
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- Daniel Chapman
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While I agree with you mostly, lets not get into name calling.
Different is just, different.
Living in a world where you get easily offended or disgusted must actually be pretty tough to do, because you have given control of your reactions and feelings to other people. Must be rough.
I would like to hear some responses from the word blocking camp though.
I should also be noted, that while you have the right to free speech in a democracy, someone else's web site forum is -not- a democracy. It's a dictatorship, with only 2 sets of rights - their rules or leave.
If I wanted to ban the word 'avacados' on my forums I could do so with impunity, and there isn't a single thing you can do about it. ;D
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Is it really the intention? Or do we choose to get offended when we think someone is trying to offend us? How many times have you thought someone was trying to insult you, but they weren't? (or others have thought the same of you) Where your intention had nothing to do with it. It was the -perceived- intention. Which is still the responsibility of the listener. -
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- mas
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Yeah I was kind of getting at that earlier - similar to where people misinterpret words and kind of 'choose' to be offended even when it wasn't meant that way. Really that sort of stuff is to do with whether or not the person listening takes time to try and actually understand whats been said & why its been said etc.
@ CG Icon: I don't think its as simple as 'its all the listeners fault' and you choose to be offended etc. While that would be a nice way of living it just isn't reality and I do thing people should have the right not to be subject to things like racist abuse. You can't say well if you don't like that word pretend its something else and all will be ok.
Also I think if you did want to insult someone and then it turned out they weren't insulted wouldn't you just try another way of causing offence? Sometimes its not the word thats said at all its the way its said - there are loads of words that can be said one way to mean something and said differently to mean something else - thats what I mean by intent.
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- Bradley Coots
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I am far from a whimp, in my persepective. If you choose to speak in a foul manner, I have no choice but to listen to it. The human mind can't "not hear" as you refer to be able to. If you smoke, and I'm sitting next to you and I choose not to smoke, I can't not breath to keep form inhaling the smoke can I ?
I can't control what you do nor can I control what I hear. I don't cuss because of my faith. If I started praying out loud beside you, you would be offended if you didn't have the same faith. (don't say you wouldn't just to be arguementive). It's the same situation with cussing, you choose to curse - I'm offended but nothing I can do about it. I choose to pray out loud - your offended nothing you can do about it.
Not wanting someone to use vulgar language isn't being whimpy, it's respect for other people aroudn you that choose not to hear it, and the same with praying out loud. I choose not to do it in public out loud so people will not be offended. It's called respect.
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- mas
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agree with that - although you reminded me now of being woken at 5am by the call to prayer from mosques in Africa - I wasn't offended but my advice is not to stay in accommodation next to one if you can avoid it!!
+ in all honesty the little frogs kept me awake much longer 
I wonder if the frog was saying offensive stuff?! :-\
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- Daniel Chapman
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I agree you can't control what you hear, but you can control if you are offended by it. I might be -inconvenienced- by someone praying out loud next to me if it was drowning out my own conversation, but as long as it wasn't interfering with what I doing I seriously wouldn't be offended. No more than I care about any other conversation going on. (and I am not just trying to be argumentative)
I still want to know at which point a word becomes a swear word? Who decides which words are swear words?
e.g. A lot of people don't swear because their faith, not just yourself. But when most of the world's religions were started, English didn't even exist let alone the words in question. So at which point was it decided that those words were against a particular faith?
I am not judging by the way, and I don't agree with the wimp statement. (it is tougher on a person to be offended than not to be, so in that respect the unoffended people could be considered to be taking the say route.) I am just curious.
The only similarity I can find between then is that most swear words, in English anyway, have at least one sharp consonant in them. in particular - k and t sounds abound. Usually with the consonant at the end of the word, but sometimes at the start, allowing the words to be almost literally 'spat' out.
Words without a sharp consonant tend to make pretty weak insult words.
In regards to being offended at the intention.
If I swear at you with the intention of making you angry, then you get angry, aren't you then just giving in to my wishes? Implying that you are giving me some level of control over your emotions. Then you lose a lot of energy and emotion reacting to me which just makes me feel like I have succeeded with my intentions and relieves me. (thanks!)
Wouldn't the best course be to not get offended, then anything I say or do has no effect on you? Then you are in complete control of your emotions and I can rant and scream as much as I like and it's just me wasting energy which is having no effect? All I am doing then is hurting myself by getting worked up.
e.g. I can yell at a rock all day and all night, using every conceivable insult, and maybe even making some up that don't exist, but the rock won't care one bit. It won't be insulted or offended in the slightest. So creating offence cannot be at my end, otherwise I could offend anything.
But If I hit most things with a sledge hammer they will break. So another person has a lot of control over the physical environment of objects around them. So I can in no way influence anything emotionally unless it allows me to/is able to feel emotions. -
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- mas
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I agree with all that but I think sometimes you can't so easily control how you react to something you hear/read. You can pretend you're not but actually you are ie. you can disguise the reaction so that the person offending doesn't get the gratification but you still do actually feel angry or hurt - I guess this goes back to "who invented swear words"!
Theres probably also a difference between 'swear words' which some people find offensive for no obvious reason and other don't and then 'trying to offend' someone - I guess they're actually different things - like some insults aren't swear words at all.
An example I mean about the intention is that in swahilli if you're white & walking through some places in East Africa you get little kids coming out shouting 'Mzungu' (the polite translation meaning 'European') - obviously you're not offended by this. Then later you pass some older boys who say 'Mzungu' at you under their breath in an unpleasant way - this now translates to the white version of n**ger - You might not feel hugely hurt but you do feel uncomfortable - it wasn't meant to be welcoming or curious it was meant as an insult and thats how you take it. An interesting thing about the word Mzungu is you'll find loads of people that have visited East Africa proudly calling themselves Mzungu! So they obviously didn't take it offensively!!
A different example is blokes talking together - often swearing & calling each other names - none of its taken offensively. Yet you can take the same words and make them offensive just by the way you say them and how you say it too.
I suppose this is all different though to simple 'swear words' - I always think its funny that older people still find certain words very offensive which to younger people are in common use - they wouldn't even recognise them as offensive. In the UK I think the BBC TV station actually has a man who's job it is to classify how offensive words are!! Maybe we should try and invent some swear words and send them to him to have them classified!!!
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- John Sanchez
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In all seriousness. I am using SMF 1.1.1 and you can censor certain words. The interesting thing about that is that you have to go in and type which words specifically you want to ban. It's a fun party game. Come up with as many bad words as you can that you want to ban from your forum.
Here's how to set it up:
Log in as an admin
Click the ADMIN tab
Under the Forum section, click Posts and Topics
There's a tab in the main section that says Censored Words.
Add your censored words and what you'd like those words to be replaced by.
My friend works for a lottery company and they were rolling out a new word puzzled game, but they had to create a list of bad words so that the random letter generator wouldn't add those letters in to make a "bad word". They came up with a long list. That had to be a fun meeting.
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- Daniel Chapman
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CG Icon wrote:
free speach is just that, free speach,,, it is up to the listener to decide what they choose to hear or read. but sadly we live in a world of whimps that feel they have a right to not have their feelings hurt and that words need to be banned.I'm a wimp. I'd floor anyone who aimed any particularly distasteful swear words at my wife, mother, sisters, or most any female. On the other hand they can belt out a few cuss words themselves when they're pissed, my wife especially
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I also ensure my son doesn't hear cuss words, and will be told not to cuss himself when he is old enough to understand.
Free Speech is not just 'Free Speech', it comes with responsibility. This responsibility is what makes us human. You can't just go up to someone and start abusing them. I have a right not to be abused and I'll defend myself with my fists.
If you don't agree with censoring boards based on your own values, perhaps you might consider the simple likelyhood that usually the majority of your visitors WILL be offended, and if you want to have a successful site, you should cater to this majority.
so CG Icon, [beeep] you! ;D - Say no to Internet Explorer 6.
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