Magento Vs Ecwid in Joomla
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- xtianus
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I have to admit, the Magento templates you guys have created are superb.
The problem is I think, and this is IMHO, magento should be something that goes inside of a joomla page... Am I wrong thinking this way?
To me, the only purpose it would serve is to be cart. Yes it has call outs and some CMS function but nothing on the level of what Joomla is.
With that said I guess the approach can be done the way I am speaking of Joomla main and magento cart but it isn't too apparent to say the least.
Which brings me to my next behest. Would you guys consider approaching it that way so that setting one up could seem a bit easier and fluid? Meaning tutorials and or a bridge to connect the two nice and tight. Just a thouhgt.
In the mean while, Ecwid from the surface looks to do this very nicely. However, a couple lacking things still exist in Ecwid like Product reviews. But, I don't think that is enough of a difference to jump Ecwid ship and try to fist and fight in a Magento / Joomla mash up. Not to mention the Facebook thing... which Ecwid reigns supreme.
Just a thought and wanted to know what Rockettheme had to say about this and or you the users.
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- Sam Mahoney
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Magento is a full ecommerce system - so if you have a big store, concentrating almost solely on your products, then it's perfect. It doesn't have a great CMS, but it does the job, and there are some decent blog extensions if you need to add a little extra. But it is based around displaying and selling products first and foremost.
However, if your store is smaller, or the products are more an added extra than the main attraction, then running something like Ecwid will suffice (I've never used it, but that is the feeling I get).
You can also try Yireo MageBridge, to bridge Joomla and Magento. We currently have no plans to bridge the two. - STEP 1 IN MAGENTO DEVELOPMENT - DISABLE YOUR CACHE OR YOU WON'T SEE ANY CHANGES.
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- xtianus
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Sam Mahoney wrote:
Magento is a full ecommerce system - so if you have a big store, concentrating almost solely on your products, then it's perfect. It doesn't have a great CMS, but it does the job, and there are some decent blog extensions if you need to add a little extra. But it is based around displaying and selling products first and foremost.
However, if your store is smaller, or the products are more an added extra than the main attraction, then running something like Ecwid will suffice (I've never used it, but that is the feeling I get).
You can also try Yireo MageBridge, to bridge Joomla and Magento. We currently have no plans to bridge the two.
Ok that makes sense. I would say however Ecwid is a full service solution. In fact it is much stronger in certain areas.
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- JeffShinn
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I strongly agree with Sam, however I also agree that Ecwid can be a full solution, just in a different way that Magento. Magento is there, ready to implement and style. Ecwid is a SaaS without a foundation, meaning it can be put into any type of foundation (i.e. Facebook, Joomla!, Drupal, plain HTML/CSS, you name it).
So in summation I think Ecwid could be what you are looking for as the best commerce solution for Joomla, it will just take you time to get there. A lot longer time that it would take to design and customize Magento (that is if you were tasked with getting an Ecwid-based Joomla site to be the same function-wise as a Magento site).
I like Sam's comments about what is your site's true purpose versus what Magento and Joomla+Ecwide offer. Magento is perfect for commerce-only or commerce-mainly sites. In fact, I'd go with a Magento install for a commerce-heavy site and then do a separate Wordpress install for a blog.
Final points, do not discredit other platforms like LiteCommerce+Drupal. - When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day?
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- xtianus
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I strongly agree with all of you. However, I maintain that Mercado seems TOO ecommerce. There is nothing else but "Get over here and buy something."
Even to your last statement of adding Mercado to Wordpress for a blog. That is exactly what Joomla is. In fact, I will argue all day long that K2 and Joomla are better than WP. But to the point, Ecwid fits inside of Joomla nicely. If I want a site presentation, a blog, login info, and other things to be apart of my site... Joomla fits that bill.
I will say it again thought that Joomla + Mercado could be a better home run.
That is the other thing about Mercado, what is it and how the heck does it work.
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- VisPrada
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Hey,
I'm only a year late to this discussion.............
I'm looking at using Halcyon ecwid vs Halcyon Magento. I've used RT templates and they are great. I used Mynxx with VirtueMart.
So, I'm trying to figure out which eComm/cart system to use. I actually don't even need the cart for this project. It's an online catalog so it makes sense to me to make it look at function like a shopping cart, but we don't do online selling, so just turn the cart off.
I've read from Mods on RTs forum that VM is lagging behind so it sounds like they are not a good solution at the moment (maybe after 2.1 is released).
Ecwid I had never heard of but it was looking good to me until reading their FAQs , it indicated that you can only CSS style the pages, but not affect anything else. That seems pretty controlling. I want to have a product detail page that will lightbox the images and I want to be able to add tabs into the page. It's sounding like that's not possible with ecwid.
With Magento I've heard great things. I'm not a big time developer though so it looks a bit intimidating to me. My PHP skills are at a very low level and it appears that you have to be good at PHP to customize Mag. Does that hold true if I'm just customizing the product detail page in the RT Halcyon template? I've used RT extensions to integrate a lightbox and tabs into RT temps before, that's easy.
Bottom line is the the individual product detail pages on eComm templates tend to be pretty generic we have a lot of info we want to put on there so need to have flexibility and control with the page.
Any feedback it greatly appreciated!
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- Sam Mahoney
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- Kevin M
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To note on this discussion if you have a medium to large store Magento is the way to go and if you get the Yireo MageBridge extension you can plugin Magento to Joomla and Yireo also offers custom template overrides for all of the RocketTheme templates to make the Magento store and Joomla seamless on the frontend.
Word of caution though, while this method is fantastic it is not for the faint of heart and will require lots of work to implement and get setup. With Yireo and RocketTheme at the helm you will end up with one powerful and easy to style Magento store in Joomla that no other eCommerce platform can touch period!!!
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- xtianus
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Kevin M wrote:
With Yireo and RocketTheme at the helm you will end up with one powerful and easy to style Magento store in Joomla that no other eCommerce platform can touch period!!!
Can you show an example of this set up? Is this different than the RT theme setup?
Lastly, I assume there is no customer service for Magento but is there an active community that will answer your questions?
Oh and one last question.... How do you or I should say can you set up payment gateways like authorize.net.
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- Melon
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xtianus wrote:
Lastly, I assume there is no customer service for Magento but is there an active community that will answer your questions?
Oh and one last question.... How do you or I should say can you set up payment gateways like authorize.net.
Huge community here: www.magentocommerce.com/boards/
And Magento comes with Authoirize.net integrated 'out of the box'. Just copy-paste your Authoirize.net API Login ID and Transaction Key and take it out of sandbox mode. That's it. Easier than getting paypal to work
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