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- masteroleg
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Ha! Attention to Admins! I never started this particular post. Someone else - not me- wrote it " Sorry but..." - post.
I rarely express myself with extreme position. It is simply not me. Some hacker..
But.
Let me express:
- #1 deadly sin of the Rockettheme
- Why great coders cannot define the Theme development
What I agree is - is that Rockettheme is on a path to self-destruction - with the ideology and mindset they have from the start and keeping up to day. That ideology excluded practical aspect of template development and test driving with actual marketers. The result is – unfinished particles.
For example: the particle to display Joomla article does not have a function to select a current category, so the same particle can show category relevant article.
Or another one: a Galleries or Images for photo sites - those particles show image / scroll image on the click - but the missing part is - there are no description can be placed below or right of the display of the image.
There are particles that can be used only on One certain page and cannot perform on the other pages: the multifunctionality of REGULAR Joomla Module is got lost. That is waist of particle and a reason to use other developers module that can function on multiple pages. How did Rockettheme lost this function? I wonder why...
While Rockettheme developers repeat that they built template for bloggers - they forgot that novelty of blogging was 10 years ago and today people moved beyond simple blog posts. Bloggers earn money by displaying ads or other monetization features.
Rocket theme simply ignore the aspect of marketing and monetization at its core. Why not to ad monetization functions to every particle? So people feel in their packet and bank account the advantage to use Rockettheme templates. Not so.
....O, yes, some may say that Rockettheme developed templates with shopping carts, or news template or booking. Yes, there are those templates - and the problem starts at the moment you start using those templates by its purpose. Sorry. I spent sooooooo much time to use these template for the "purpose” described to those templates. Total waist. For example: A template with shopping cart - incudes a monthly fee with the component in the template. What? I rather use Hika shop or something else.
So, those templates that looks like they can be used for a profitability, actually hard to put to work.
The News/ Magazine template - what a nonsense when it comes to it’s ACTUAL use for the purpose of news / magazine template.
O, you may say: why you so negative.....negative?
It is because I am not alone. There are hundreds of people who simply drop using Rockettheme templates because they lost a hope and have no desire explain why.
I am the stupid idiot, trying to cry out with my voice and express NEEEDS. But the Rockettheme continue to build templates for it looks and neglecting needs of its users. Specially Experienced users.
HERE IS THE DEADLY SIN OF ROCKETHEME:
- The templates made hypothetically, made by peoples with skills to code really well but as the most coders have NO IDEA how to market and profit from its creation. This is the deadly sin of the Rockettheme since I joined in 2005.
THE SOLUTION:
The solution, a possible solution is: 1) Include real marketer(s) on the theme development. A marketer(s) must consult Rockettheme developers and second - test the functions from perspective of practicality and profitability.
Stop coders build wonderful things that are totally nonsense and waist until it put to a test for PRACTICAL usability and Practicality by real marketers (not newbies) and move beyond looking good to WORKING good and Function profitably. Let’s move beyond antic idea building blogs for photographers. You have so many off those kinds. Let’s not waist time. Yours and ours. And if you do - care that a photographers and blogers have to profit from it.
P.S. Thank you for moving to Joomla 4. - Last Edit: 6 years 3 months ago by masteroleg.
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- oceano
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We are 2 stupid as i point the same things. I have just a website for news( I always used RT and remake a lot of time in hope was good for that pourpose ) and the problem of the articles in home page and as " related " in the articles pages I never find nobody listen. As many said ( I was the first
) all particles are just the " lite version " of a full paid version that don't exist. So same all i use other extensions that I pay extra....smal money but money....ok now I stop or someone start say I can't talk about also if the big boss made public in an interview how much the RT gain .
You wrong in one point Masteroleg, nobody listen you and nobody, in real, change something. Is like that. Or you like or you leave.
You know? the fortune of RT is Gantry. Many stay for Gantry, me too.
So leave they follow, as usual, their idea. Is thier business, they was the best that's all
BTW I'm this one
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Ciao - Last Edit: 6 years 3 months ago by oceano.
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- David Goode
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Hi Masteroleg,
masteroleg wrote:Ha! Attention to Admins! I never started this particular post. Someone else - not me- wrote it " Sorry but..." - post.
I rarely express myself with extreme position. It is simply not me. Some hacker..
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masteroleg wrote:But.
Let me express:
- #1 deadly sin of the Rockettheme
- Why great coders cannot define the Theme development
What I agree is - is that Rockettheme is on a path to self-destruction - with the ideology and mindset they have from the start and keeping up to day. That ideology excluded practical aspect of template development and test driving with actual marketers. The result is – unfinished particles.
I think the important thing here is that because some particles don't do everything you want them to do then you have decided they are unfinished. For the benefit of others, this is your personal opinion and is based on your own requirements. It takes no account of all the successful sites who use our products and achieve their own goals. We do not release any "unfinished particles", they all perform the function they were designed for. As with all software there could be improvements in certain elements. In some cases we will incorporate new functionality in the next release of a template or particle as mentioned by Ryan.
masteroleg wrote:For example: the particle to display Joomla article does not have a function to select a current category, so the same particle can show category relevant article.
If I have understood you correctly you seem to want a particle that can identify the specific page it is displayed on, then determine the category used for the content and then display an article from that category? My understanding of the use of a particle to display a Joomla article is to have more control over position on the page (e.g. not reliant on the component for mainbody), otherwise it makes more sense to use Joomla's own method of displaying articles by having the main article displayed in full and other articles from the same category as a blog or list. Joomla even has tags to help users find similar content.
masteroleg wrote:Or another one: a Galleries or Images for photo sites - those particles show image / scroll image on the click - but the missing part is - there are no description can be placed below or right of the display of the image.
Which particle are you referring to here? Some particles do have options for captions while some don't. Please bear in mind that we also code particles to suit the specific template designs. In some cases we would not want a caption as the images are all displayed in a flush mode so there is nowhere for the caption to display.
We do not proclaim to make particles that will match everybody's needs because that would be completely impractical and we would fail miserably. Instead we provide particles that perform a set function. They are also designed so that a web developer could rewrite the code to suit their own client needs. Our templates are ready for use but will not fit everybody's needs for a website's functionality.
masteroleg wrote:There are particles that can be used only on One certain page and cannot perform on the other pages: the multifunctionality of REGULAR Joomla Module is got lost. That is waist of particle and a reason to use other developers module that can function on multiple pages. How did Rockettheme lost this function? I wonder why...
Particles can be used on any page. Our templates allow you to embed a particle in a template outline or simply use module positions. the choice is yours. I think the biggest misunderstanding here arises when people use the RocketLaunchers to create a copy of the demo. This means they will have all of the demo content, including embedded particles and demo styling. If you were to create a fresh Joomla install then add Gantry 5 and the template you would be able to set particles as you wish. Again, our templates will do the job for straight forward sites but more complex websites will need to have some elements adjusted to suit.
masteroleg wrote:While Rockettheme developers repeat that they built template for bloggers - they forgot that novelty of blogging was 10 years ago and today people moved beyond simple blog posts. Bloggers earn money by displaying ads or other monetization features.
Rocket theme simply ignore the aspect of marketing and monetization at its core. Why not to ad monetization functions to every particle? So people feel in their packet and bank account the advantage to use Rockettheme templates. Not so.
We build templates for whatever purpose our members wish to use them for. The template is a design style for the user to fine tune for whatever purpose they wish. As for monetization, this is very similar to ecommerce, in that different affiliate schemes will have their own software and code to "monetize" the adverts displayed on the affiliate site. No template developer will undertake the task of incorporating those sorts of features because the code would become too bloated. One area where we have improved the templates is to make it easier to add proprietary code to the head and body in order to drive those third party affiliate schemes.
masteroleg wrote:....O, yes, some may say that Rockettheme developed templates with shopping carts, or news template or booking. Yes, there are those templates - and the problem starts at the moment you start using those templates by its purpose. Sorry. I spent sooooooo much time to use these template for the "purpose” described to those templates. Total waist. For example: A template with shopping cart - incudes a monthly fee with the component in the template. What? I rather use Hika shop or something else.
Thank you for proving my answer above. Some members felt the fee was worth it. However it was just demo content and you could use any ecommerce extension that you wish. I too use Hikashop as it requires the least amount of fussing around to match the template. With all third party extensions there will always be some changes required due to their own styling and clashes of CSS classes.
masteroleg wrote:So, those templates that looks like they can be used for a profitability, actually hard to put to work.
The News/ Magazine template - what a nonsense when it comes to it’s ACTUAL use for the purpose of news / magazine template.
As Ryan and others have said before, others have made good use of our templates and have no complaints. Once again this your personal opinion.
masteroleg wrote:O, you may say: why you so negative.....negative?
It is because I am not alone. There are hundreds of people who simply drop using Rockettheme templates because they lost a hope and have no desire explain why.
I am the stupid idiot, trying to cry out with my voice and express NEEEDS. But the Rockettheme continue to build templates for it looks and neglecting needs of its users. Specially Experienced users.
Where are the hundreds of other posts from these users then? They haven't posted because they don't exist. Yes, we lose members in the same way as any subscription service. We also gain members. RocketTheme take on board members comments but we will not always include them in our products for many different reasons, some of which are outlined in the answers to the posts on this thread. Some are good suggestions and get built into future releases. We will NEVER please EVERYONE!
masteroleg wrote:HERE IS THE DEADLY SIN OF ROCKETHEME:
- The templates made hypothetically, made by peoples with skills to code really well but as the most coders have NO IDEA how to market and profit from its creation. This is the deadly sin of the Rockettheme since I joined in 2005.
This would only be a deadly sin if our target audience were users who wanted to create websites stuffed with marketing adverts to generate affiliate payments for the site owners. Our target audience is much wider than that and most of them will not have any advertising on their websites at all.
masteroleg wrote:THE SOLUTION:
The solution, a possible solution is: 1) Include real marketer(s) on the theme development. A marketer(s) must consult Rockettheme developers and second - test the functions from perspective of practicality and profitability.
Stop coders build wonderful things that are totally nonsense and waist until it put to a test for PRACTICAL usability and Practicality by real marketers (not newbies) and move beyond looking good to WORKING good and Function profitably. Let’s move beyond antic idea building blogs for photographers. You have so many off those kinds. Let’s not waist time. Yours and ours. And if you do - care that a photographers and blogers have to profit from it.
P.S. Thank you for moving to Joomla 4.
Your solution is for RocketTheme to build all of our templates and particles with the end goal of monetization for site owners. That just isn't going to happen because that would be for a minority of our members. We would spend the rest of our lives rebuilding particles everytime a third party system changed how they work. We have tried that in the past and we won't be looking to do it again any time soon as caused too much trouble for our members in the long-term.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and we do review feedback from members. You have shared your opinion on RocketTheme's design and development over two threads now. We have tried to explain why some of the things you want will not be put into our planning and now I respectfully ask that we bring this thread to a close so we can all move forward and make more productive use of our time.
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- David Goode
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Hi Oceano,
oceano wrote:now I respectfully ask that we bring this thread to a close so we can all move forward and make more productive use of our time.====> As said...is just like that, shut up
Both Ryan and I have explained why RocketTheme will not create specialised particles for third party products. This is not a case of shutting members up but simply pointing out the reasons and stating that no matter how loud you shout about something, it will only be considered on its merits. In this case marketeers who want websites stuffed full of adverts so they get paid a commission is not something we are able to support so we won't be implementing it. Not sure how much simpler I can state this. -
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- oceano
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I'm not a marketeers, ok i have adv just for pay my server. Just 3 from google and 1 from booking.com. I use RT from at least 10 years. The lack of basic function start from that time. For example roksprochet and now the particle that you use for show the article in home page....the basic of ALL module like that are the same, take for example
www.gavick.com/news-show-pro
or module same this one. They have basic function also in the free one that roksproket before and the particle now don't have. Also template that you made for " news " are useless as you can't organize the news in home page and the related articles. BTW in the last 2 years many try to explain, also in good english, this problem. Nobody listen from RT.
Then let me know, again I ask 300 times, why if a template have a bug ( in that moment i paid for that template ) and I finish the subscription I can't have that bug solved. Is like I buy a car and after one month I discover that the company install a wrong brake...they change my brake for free, is theyr guilty....so bugs i find now in a template why I have to renew my subcription for have that bug solved?
Sorry have a lot of things but my english is so bad and I can't explain all. - Last Edit: 6 years 3 months ago by oceano.
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- David Goode
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Hi Oceano,
oceano wrote:I'm not a marketeers, ok i have adv just for pay my server. Just 3 from google and 1 from booking.com.
OK - So who writes the code for your ads to appear? Google and booking.com. So if we designed a particle based on their output and they then changed their methods or code you would expect us to know that and change our particles. Wrong. This is why we do not develop third party particles.
oceano wrote:I use RT from at least 10 years. The lack of basic function start from that time. For example roksprochet and now the particle that you use for show the article in home page....the basic of ALL module like that are the same, take for example www.gavick.com/news-show-pro or module same this one. They have basic function also in the free one that roksproket before and the particle now don't have. Also template that you made for " news " are useless as you can't organize the news in home page and the related articles. BTW in the last 2 years many try to explain, also in good english, this problem. Nobody listen from RT.
If other template developers want create modules that are different to ours then that is their choice. It does not mean we will do the same. As for organising news in home page I think you must be mistaken. I have never had any problem organising news articles. The only issue I have ever had is lack of multiple categories for one article. The only way i have solved that is to use a third party product called Multi-Cat. But as Joomla doesn't provide such an option I cannot blame the template developer for that.
oceano wrote:Then let me know, again I ask 300 times, why if a template have a bug ( in that moment i paid for that template ) and I finish the subscription I can't have that bug solved. Is like I buy a car and after one month I discover that the company install a wrong brake...they change my brake for free, is theyr guilty....so bugs i find now in a template why I have to renew my subcription for have that bug solved?
When you buy a car you get a warranty. It lasts for a set period of time. After that time you have no free work. The only time that work is done for free outside of warranty is if there is a manufacturer recall for safety. They are usually done because governments or trade bodies demand they are done. When you buy a template you get free updates during life of subscription, after that you pay again. That is how the majority of software companies work.
oceano wrote:Sorry have a lot of things but my english is so bad and I can't explain all.
We realise that English is not your native language and we always try to understand your comments. Over the years we have always tried to solve your problems or tell you why they will not get solved. We usually get there in the end but we will never please all of our members as many use us for different reasons.
Wishing you a great Christmas and a Happy New Year. - Last Edit: 6 years 3 months ago by David Goode.
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oceano wrote:
Then let me know, again I ask 300 times, why if a template have a bug ( in that moment i paid for that template ) and I finish the subscription I can't have that bug solved. Is like I buy a car and after one month I discover that the company install a wrong brake...they change my brake for free, is theyr guilty....so bugs i find now in a template why I have to renew my subcription for have that bug solved?
A subscription is not like buying a car. A subscription is like leasing a car. You are leasing the ability to access support + updates for the template for as long as your subscription is active. Additionally, you get access to download all the themes you want during that time. The only thing that exists after your subscription lapses is your site licenses. That carries on in perpetuity.
Buying the template outright is like buying a car. You get it, a license to use it on a live site, and support + updates for the life of the template. That is like buying a car. - Last Edit: 6 years 3 months ago by Ryan M Pierson.
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- oceano
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If you write a line of code and you wrong, like <//br> or you made a conflict whit another part of the site or you leave a blank space on the template like happen in Notio and you keep time for fix for me is like the manufacturer recall the product for a part that made wrong. When you publish a template must be perfect as you are professional and you must provide a product whitout error, you are not Joomla.org they don't get paid for theyr work.
If you compare you and a company that sell a product you must be the same, provide a product whitout problem. So at this point for me anythings you sell to me, subscription or not if have something wrong and is your "fault" you must fix also over the subscription.
In some way you must pay all us......because you don't have a beta team. We test your template and particles, we find a lot of bugs and we loos a lot of time for that
My money are perfect, the product you sell must be perfect and if is not you must fix.
This made Apple, Ferrari, Yamaha and made chip company the others
Ciao - Last Edit: 6 years 3 months ago by oceano.
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