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What's an Entitlement??
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- Ranja
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Hi, I see you have deleted your last reply. Thanks.
The confusion lies in my questions...
EDIT:
My questions and suggestive answers are confirmed to be correct by moderator. Thanks!
Except question 4, 5 and 7 still being unanswered.
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- James Spencer
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4. You can buy a bundle of 3 entitlements for $60 as outlined at
www.rockettheme.com/joomla-club-details
5. Please elaborate on the multiple-thing? If you are referring to the ability to assign templates to various pages, as far as I'm aware, that is still entitlement as its the same install.
7. As long as you have enough entitlements, that should be fine with you doing it
- James Spencer / Developer & Support / Hull, UK
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- Ranja
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Ah, hello dear James, our beloved Oracle
James S! wrote:4. You can buy a bundle of 3 entitlements for $60 as outlined at www.rockettheme.com/joomla-club-detailsAh! Thanks. Not that I need it now, but maybe and hopefully someday I will. I didn't understand the difference of upgrade and renewal.
James S! wrote:5. Please elaborate on the multiple-thing? If you are referring to the ability to assign templates to various pages, as far as I'm aware, that is still entitlement as its the same install.I mean like an example: If one has 1 domain with 1 Joomla and want to use RT template on it. Then maybe one want one part of the homepage to be green and another part blue, as if it was two different pages. I was then told that one has to use a " multiple sites component " or two different domains (domain+subdomain) to make this happen. I don't know... Maybe it's just me not understanding the technicalities so my question is waaaay stupid
James S! wrote:7. As long as you have enough entitlements, that should be fine with you doing itOh, ok! That's nice to know that then I'm not doing something wrong if I say yes.
Have a rockin' Saturday!
Bless.
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- JOHN R WILSON
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After reading all of this and becoming completely confused and befuddled I'm still not clear on the concept of entitlement.
So far I've managed to come up with this:
1) A kind of site licensing but nor really. Even if the exceptions like non profit aren't clear. At least apparent exceptions. I'm not sure they are.
2) One can purchase and rotate 3 themes on a single domain and you're fine as long as you don't do the same thing with the same three themes plus one other on another domain.
3) Someone has been hanging around too much with the Joomla development group and got the virus that prevents them from explaining anything at all in plain English!
4) Does a single document appear somewhere on this site that spells this all out in easy to read and understand English with clear and understandable examples? No legalese, please.
5) Just how does this relate to the phpBB themes which seem to have them as well.
Why entitlements instead of site or seat licensing which is a whole lot clearer and easier to understand conceptually?
And why isn't there a static page that explains all of this, see above, in the Queen's English? Simply and understandably in all its permuations. (See above about how Joomla tempates used concurrently with phpBB templates relate to one another.)
I'm a template club member because of the quality of the work here and no other reason. And, yes, someone needs to make a bit of a living off this as they're doing it full time so I don't object in anyway.
I'm not even sure I object to or agree with entitlements (an SAP concept if I have ever tripped over one designed to confuse as opposed to clarify or enlighten) though I'll still use RocketTheme themes and be a member anyway because of the quality.
I'd just like to be sure I'm not doing something I shouldn't be explained in enough detail in one place in language designed to communicate rather than obfuscate. :shock:
Shouldn't be hard because this site has, until I tripped on this, managed to do it extremely well.
Off to get phpBB membership as soon as I figure out what the heck an upgrade is.
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John (of the spinning head)
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- STEVEN HUTCHINSON
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- ok so what happens if i cancel my subscription with RT when it is due to expire next, does that mean i can no longer use these templates, will they cease to work or ???
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- Marge
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- You have the right to use the RocketTheme templates on as many concurrent sites as your entitlements provide for. After your membership expires, you may continue to use the templates your entitlements allow for, so the templates are not time-limited.
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- JOHN R WILSON
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Thanks.
Thing is that I'm still left with the nagging feeling that I don't fully understand what an entitlement is.
I'm this far that if I have 2 I can use a template on www.site1.com and on www.site2.com (root in both) but no more. That said, I can still use the same one on www.site1.com/humour/ and I can use the site 1 template on www.site2.com/humour/ without violating what I think it is.
Same for a phpBB template.
Thus, if I have an entitlement of 2 that's it there ain't no more until I earn or get more or whatever. (I don't want to go into that part, thanks.)
What I can't do is use either one on www.site1.ca . (Providing for a whole mess of things like the ca domain isn't simply a pointer to .com and on and on and on.) See where I'm coming from?
It isn't as simple as it seems on first glance and on second glance it starts to get even more complex.
It would appear that there are holes big enough to drive a supertanker through for interpretation here.
So I'm back to my main point. There needs to be a link to static content that fully explains it in plain English. Not bureaucratese, though I read that rather well, or legalese, which I also read well but unless properly constructed in an international environment can lead to all kinds of things going haywire.
Use tables if necessary to illustrate. Keep it simple. Stick to the annual subscription of 3 entitlements and there you are. Add a link to the legal stuff at the bottom if necessary.
Done.
What I'm seeing here, no flame intended as within my own trade (telecom and technology) I do the same thing, is what I call the geek trap. You know what you're talking about but there's a problem in communication when you're explaining it to someone else. It's this private shorthand everyone uses in a discipline or group within a discipline that just doesn't translate well or at all outside that group.
I've written guides and full manuals for years that have taken docs written by Nortel, ITT, Alcatel an others into something which people can understand. In my case translating from their group speak into my trade's group speak.
Developer and programmer group speak, geek and ubergeek speak of the highest order, is often untranslatable due to a near complete lack of common ground to begin the translation.
I'm usually pretty good at all of this. I get the intent of what you're trying to do but the wording throws one heck of a wall up.
To me, and other non-Americans, entitlement means something like welfare or social security when Americans talk. Right there is a huge barrier to understanding. I'm left trying to guess what you mean by entitlement when, it seems, what is really meant is a grant of site licensing and a pretty generous one at that. But it's still that darned word!
I don't have a common touch ground in expression/understanding to what I think you mean and what you seem to actually mean. So, it's a kind of language barrier. :shock:
Meanwhile, I'll just carry on hoping that I'm doing the right thing but not too sure one way or the other until I can get that common translation from what you're using entitlement for and what I use it for or understand it to be.
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John
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- Ragdata
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It's really quite simple. You can think of an 'entitlement' as a 'token' - a form of currency. To use 1 template on 1 domain will cost you 1 token. Once you have purchased your token and exchanged it for a template, that template is yours to use on that domain forever.
That said, the whole of this policy relies on the honour system. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from downloading every single template you can get your hands on while your membership is active and using those templates on 1000 domains. If, however, the team finds out that you have abused the honour system, you should probably not expect to be able to renew your membership.
What you're talking about here is the difference between the spirit of the law and the word of the law. People's disregard for the spirit of the law, and their preoccupation with the word of the law is exactly why Lawyers and Criminals are the only people who benefit from the laws of the modern world.
Adhere to the spirit of the law with regard to the use of your templates, and you'll be able to sleep like a baby each night with a clear conscience. - Ragdata's Rubber Duck
www.ragdata.net/
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- JOHN R WILSON
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Ragdata wrote:
What you're talking about here is the difference between the spirit of the law and the word of the law. People's disregard for the spirit of the law, and their preoccupation with the word of the law is exactly why Lawyers and Criminals are the only people who benefit from the laws of the modern world.
Adhere to the spirit of the law with regard to the use of your templates, and you'll be able to sleep like a baby each night with a clear conscience.
Thanks!
Actually, it seems I have 17 template entitlements at the moment so I'd have a serious problem violating even the spirit of the deal. That said, it's as much the spirit of the deal that I'm interested in which is why I kept emphasizing no legalese.
As for the word of the law I suspect that's why a particular quote from Shakespeare about killing all the lawyers illustrates that was a problem when he was writing. Though I agree that you're right.
Thanks again!
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John
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- -=Mojo Will=-
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However, when i set up my yearly subscription the terms where that I could only use EACH theme on a max number of sites.
ie I could use replicant 3 times AND mixmag 3 times AND themex 3 times AND themey 3 times
nothing to do with this entitlement thing. It is confusing to 80% of people, I think you have to give your subscribers a bit more credit, we do come here and pay for the themes when we could just as easily get them from the million sites that are just sharing them for free, but we don't. This kind of restrictions just confuses people and makes them tootle of to te file share sites.
If I do have a subscription based upon the old terms and conditions, I have not received official notification that the terms of my subscription have changed, this is a legal requirement, so legally I am bound by the terms of use issued when i setup my subscription not this entitlement do dah wotist!
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