PHP VS Web 2.0
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- Rusty Ferguson
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I ran into someone today that caused me to think Web 2.0 is going to make PHP obsolete.
Is this really true? Pure poppycock?
I don't want to put forth the time to learn it if that is true. To me, it seems like any additional layers that get between me and the machine are going to slow things down more and in the long run make it more complicated. IE Windows.
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- James Spencer
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- GollumX
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i'm told it's gone almost as far as it can, unlike something like asp.net, which is almost infinitely extensible.
it should still be at the top for the next five yrs of more though.
maybe ROR will be the way to go.
disclaimer: i'm always reading tech-zines etc... but i usually only understand half of what i read
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- John Sanchez
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Isn't Web 2.0 just a buzzword for the new "style" of web development, not a new type of language?
A lot of Web 2.0 is making websites less static and more interactive. I would say AJAX is a pretty "Web 2.0 technology" and that can use php as a server-side app. Give the amount of development that PHP has gone through, I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon and would be a great language to learn. As the web evolves, I don't think you can rely on php alone to get things done. Learning how to integrate it with other things like javascript and stuff will take you a long way.
Of course, there's always something newer/better in the works...
gizmodo.com/gadgets/dell-redesigns-the-l...r-than-hd-261552.php
(If anyone wants to buy one of these for me when they're available..... that'd be cool)
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- James Spencer
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John Sanchez wrote:
Of course, there's always something newer/better in the works...
gizmodo.com/gadgets/dell-redesigns-the-l...r-than-hd-261552.php
(If anyone wants to buy one of these for me when they're available..... that'd be cool)
I wonder if it is as good as the £80,000 TVs that LG have developed in South Korea ;D - James Spencer / Developer & Support / Hull, UK
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- Robert D. Wagers
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My understanding of WEB 2.0 was the migration from traditional HTML to XHTML along with the use of CSS and PHP. That's it! I may be wrong, but I am not sure that there is too much "top secret" languaging platforms in the near future.
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- Bob Ateah
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Robert Wagers wrote:
My understanding of WEB 2.0 was the migration from traditional HTML to XHTML along with the use of CSS and PHP. That's it! I may be wrong, but I am not sure that there is too much "top secret" languaging platforms in the near future.
Wage
That is my understanding as well Wage.
If we're wrong, feel free to set us straight.
Php ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
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- Matthew
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I think that Web 2.0 is actually more of a business definition than anything else.
Friendly sites that are content or function centric, and leverage new technologies (regardless of what they actually are) to deliver lightning fast and highly intuitive user interfaces would generally be considered Web 2.0.
From a design perspective, they tend to have larger fonts, highly clean visual styles, bright friendly colors and minimal clutter. Users are presented with a minimum number of choices on any given page, and graphical buttons, and highlighted boxes are used fairly liberally to make it very obvious to a user what they need to do.
From a technical perspective, these sites tend to look like this: Database -> Web Server -> Client Side Web Application -> End User Page. It is the addition of the "Client Side Web Application" that really sets most Web 2.0 Design aside, technically. The old model (and the model that Joomla! sites still tend to use, for the most part) is that a user gets a page, does something and then clicks a submit button, and waits for another page to load.
Web 2.0 sites load a "stub" application, which then communicates back and forth with the server in the background, and, instead of reloading a page, overwrites the pages DOM (Document Object Model) to change the information there. This makes Web apps feel more like "normal" computer programs, and less like Web pages. This technical wizardry is often accomplished using something called AJAX, which stands for "Asynchronous JavaScript and XML". So, even when people talk about AJAX, it is sometimes hard to know exactly what they are talking about, because there are loads of AJAX frameworks out there, and nothing stopping anyone from implementing their own as well.
It should be pretty evident that ANY of the major web scripting languages (PHP, ASP, Cold Fusion, etc.) could be used to implement an AJAX type Web app. It would even be possible to write such an app that used pure HTML for the base pages, and communicated more or less directly with a database -> XML service, although I can't think of many reasons why that would be desirable.
Back to my original point, however, since the definition is more of a business one than a technical one, any of those rules can, and are, broken on any number of sites that are still rightly considered Web 2.0 sites.
PHP, with its extremely wide array of open source code bases, easy interoperability with virtually every database known to man, and very well developed AJAX libraries is certain to be a mainstay of Web 2.0 development for a long time to come.
FWIW, AJAX has a bit of a limitation (although it can be gotten around with a bit of effort) in that it is largely restricted to pulling resources from a specific domain, instead of cross-domain pulling. There are a lot of good "mashup" sites out there that riff off of Google Maps, for instance, but combine them with other databases (SF BART schedules, for instance) to produce really neat hybrid Web apps. As this sort of thing matures, expect to see a lot more of this sort of thing, mixing and matching information from multiple sources all at the same time. Of course, a whole rash of legal actions will follow these sites as well.
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- Daniel Chapman
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What Matthew said.
The term 'Ajax' can be cut down to a single line of code -> the HTTPRequest where you make a call from the website back to the database or serverside script. That's the difference between Ajax Java script and non Ajax Javascript, that one line of code.
PHP is excellent to learn, but it can't really do much that is attention grabbing. Javascript or flash is needed for that. So I highly reccommend learning both PHP and JS and and not only one or the other.
Web 2.0 is just a buzzword to describe the new generation of web sites, where the emphasis is on interacting with your visitors, or them interacting with each other, and not just feeding them information with nothing coming back. -
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- Rusty Ferguson
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Wow, I thought it was more infrastructure and more interactive but I ran into someone refering to some software called Web 2.0. After reading this and some other things I've discovered about same person, he was spewing the art best learned in a liberal arts college and not for use on the web, at least not on building the web. BS. I'll find out more.
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