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PHP VS Web 2.0

  • Re: PHP VS Web 2.0

    Posted 17 years 6 months ago
    • John Sanchez wrote:


      A lot of Web 2.0 is making websites less static and more interactive. I would say AJAX is a pretty "Web 2.0 technology" and that can use php as a server-side app. Give the amount of development that PHP has gone through, I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon and would be a great language to learn. As the web evolves, I don't think you can rely on php alone to get things done. Learning how to integrate it with other things like javascript and stuff will take you a long way.


      I just wanted to double check. I didn't think Web 2.0 was actual software but I ran into someone referring to it that way and I hadn't followed Web2.0 that closely.

      PHP and JavaScript yea, I need to start there along with a lot of CSS

      What confused me is that I heard on cable news show some refer to Web 2.0 and that it was hard to develop as they couldn't shut down the entire net to "test it." Then when I run into someone calling software Web 2.0 but hey, might not be a bad way to market new software. :) You'd never be able to trademark it but once you got the software known, you could change it.

      Thanks
  • Re: PHP VS Web 2.0

    Posted 17 years 6 months ago
    • Okay I did a Google and found some things. There is a company out there with a new CMS product and they or someone is calling it Web 2.0 which is going to confuse a lot of people I think. Google Koral's Web 2.0 and you'll see what I mean. Here is an article on it: woodrow.typepad.com/the_ponderings_of_woodrow/web_20/index.html also ZDnet had an article on it. So it appears someone is calling it Web 2.0. PS I DO NOT WORK WITH OR FOR THESE PEOPLE IN ANY WAY. :) I just discovered and seems relevant to our interest. I'll be sticking with Joomla :) . The first time I heard of Web 2.0 it was about infrastructure and would be faster pipe. But I don't claim to know what I"m talking about. :) Well, not this time. LOL
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    Re: PHP VS Web 2.0

    Posted 17 years 6 months ago
    • Interesting Web 2.0 explanation article .

      Rusty, I believe that you are confusing Internet 2 with Web 2.0.

      Cheers!
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  • Re: PHP VS Web 2.0

    Posted 17 years 6 months ago
    • What about this (for the people who dont want to read :) )

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  • Re: PHP VS Web 2.0

    Posted 17 years 6 months ago
    • Roland Deschain wrote:
      Interesting Web 2.0 explanation article .

      Rusty, I believe that you are confusing Internet 2 with Web 2.0.

      I could certainly be confused in that I didn't realize they were two separate things. Oh man, now I'm more confused than ever.
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    Re: PHP VS Web 2.0

    Posted 17 years 6 months ago
    • Rusty Ferguson wrote:
      Roland Deschain wrote:
      Interesting Web 2.0 explanation article .

      Rusty, I believe that you are confusing Internet 2 with Web 2.0.

      I could certainly be confused in that I didn't realize they were two separate things. Oh man, now I'm more confused than ever.

      Just to clarify:

      Internet 2 = www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&defl..._definition&ct=title
      A project to develop new technologies for high-performance computer networking. While specifically developed to facilitate research and educational purposes, the involvement of research, commercial and government organisations also aims to distribute these technology into the wider community.
      www.parliament.vic.gov.au/sarc/E-Democra..._Report/Glossary.htm
      Internet2 is a non-profit consortium which develops and deploys advanced network applications and technologies, mostly for high-speed data transfer. It is led by 207 US universities and partners from the networking and technology industries (such as AT&T, Intel, Sun Microsystems, and Cisco Systems). Some of the technologies it has developed include IPv6, IP multicasting and quality of service.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_2

      Web 2.0 =Matthew wrote:
      Matthew wrote:
      I think that Web 2.0 is actually more of a business definition than anything else.

      Friendly sites that are content or function centric, and leverage new technologies (regardless of what they actually are) to deliver lightning fast and highly intuitive user interfaces would generally be considered Web 2.0.

      From a design perspective, they tend to have larger fonts, highly clean visual styles, bright friendly colors and minimal clutter. Users are presented with a minimum number of choices on any given page, and graphical buttons, and highlighted boxes are used fairly liberally to make it very obvious to a user what they need to do.

      From a technical perspective, these sites tend to look like this: Database -> Web Server -> Client Side Web Application -> End User Page. It is the addition of the "Client Side Web Application" that really sets most Web 2.0 Design aside, technically. The old model (and the model that Joomla! sites still tend to use, for the most part) is that a user gets a page, does something and then clicks a submit button, and waits for another page to load.

      Web 2.0 sites load a "stub" application, which then communicates back and forth with the server in the background, and, instead of reloading a page, overwrites the pages DOM (Document Object Model) to change the information there. This makes Web apps feel more like "normal" computer programs, and less like Web pages. This technical wizardry is often accomplished using something called AJAX, which stands for "Asynchronous JavaScript and XML". So, even when people talk about AJAX, it is sometimes hard to know exactly what they are talking about, because there are loads of AJAX frameworks out there, and nothing stopping anyone from implementing their own as well.

      It should be pretty evident that ANY of the major web scripting languages (PHP, ASP, Cold Fusion, etc.) could be used to implement an AJAX type Web app. It would even be possible to write such an app that used pure HTML for the base pages, and communicated more or less directly with a database -> XML service, although I can't think of many reasons why that would be desirable.

      Back to my original point, however, since the definition is more of a business one than a technical one, any of those rules can, and are, broken on any number of sites that are still rightly considered Web 2.0 sites.

      PHP, with its extremely wide array of open source code bases, easy interoperability with virtually every database known to man, and very well developed AJAX libraries is certain to be a mainstay of Web 2.0 development for a long time to come.

      FWIW, AJAX has a bit of a limitation (although it can be gotten around with a bit of effort) in that it is largely restricted to pulling resources from a specific domain, instead of cross-domain pulling. There are a lot of good "mashup" sites out there that riff off of Google Maps, for instance, but combine them with other databases (SF BART schedules, for instance) to produce really neat hybrid Web apps. As this sort of thing matures, expect to see a lot more of this sort of thing, mixing and matching information from multiple sources all at the same time. Of course, a whole rash of legal actions will follow these sites as well. ;)

      I hope that this helps!

      Cheers!
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  • Re: PHP VS Web 2.0

    Posted 17 years 6 months ago
    • Just you telling me they were two different things helped a lot. Now as for Matthew, is he speaking English? I think he's speaking uber geek. :) I wish I could speak it. LOL Thanks Matthew, I understood most of it. :)

      Here is what I understand now. Web 2.0 does not equal Internet 2.0. Web2.0 is more of a concept, mostly around a more interactive user experience but exactly what it is, I don't think anyone knows. LOL But, it seems Wikipedia agrees and at the same time supports what Matthew said:
      Web 2.0, a phrase coined by O'Reilly Media in 2004,[1] refers to a perceived second-generation of Web based communities and hosted services — such as social networking sites, wikis and folksonomies — that facilitate collaboration and sharing between users. O'Reilly Media titled a series of conferences around the phrase, and it has since become widely adopted.

      Though the term suggests a new version of the Web, it does not refer to an update to World Wide Web technical specifications, but to changes in the ways systems developers have used the web platform. According to Tim O'Reilly, "Web 2.0 is the business revolution in the computer industry caused by the move to the internet as platform, and an attempt to understand the rules for success on that new platform." [2]

      Some technology experts, notably Tim Berners-Lee, have questioned whether one can use the term in a meaningful way, since many of the technology components of "Web 2.0" have existed since the beginnings of the World Wide Web.[3]

      Based on what I found on Google someone did brand a product using the name. But I also saw that it was being rebranded. I would wait before I did that I think. I think Web 2.0 is going to become to mean social networking.
  • Re: PHP VS Web 2.0

    Posted 17 years 6 months ago
    • I just read Matthew's post again, it is clearer to me now. I must have learned something. Thanks all!

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