Joomla Losing Momentum?
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- GollumX
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Am hoping one or both of our resident Joomla Core team members might have a response to this. Posted by Mack in another thread.Mack wrote:
I think Virtuemart is a great extension. However, it is losing momentum because of the extensive delays in Joomla releasing a stable beta, or anything for that matter. The VM demo runs on 1.5, he has a 1.5x version ready to go, it's the Joomla core that's holding things up.
It was for that reason I abandoned my site running Vmart and switched it over to Drupal. The ecommerce components for Drupal are far more powerful, flexible, and have a lot of community support.
I'm starting to lean towards Drupal more and more every day. I don't know what happened to the Joomla core, but it seems likes they have lost direction, focus and momentum. Even the forks are starting to pass them up, Elxis has more going on and more improvements then Joomla does right now.
@Mack , have you heard that a VM 1.1 stable won't be available until J!1.5 is released? - Say no to Internet Explorer 6.
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- Bill Gillon
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Have to admit, I've been looking more and more at Drupal and other options myself, and I think for these very same reasons.
The core development of Joomla seems to be moving very slowly, whilst other CMS systems are at a much more advanced stage. CMS's like Drupal and E107 have the simple capability to have pure CSS sites for example, something which can't really be obtained with Joomla without hacking away at the core files.
The advantage which Joomla has it the depth of third party contributions with it, as well as a great club like Rockettheme, but will they go the same sort of way as Virtuemart in the posting above?
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- Mack
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GollumX wrote:
@Mack , have you heard that a VM 1.1 stable won't be available until J!1.5 is released?
No, not at all. I don't know anything about the status of VM. I tried the latest beta of VM and it worked fine. My comments were directed toward the lack of progress with Joomla, not VM. That was it. Not sure why this was dug out of another thread and taken out of context.
Guess I'll just go and start grabbing my 1 template a month. - Last Edit: 17 years 7 months ago by Mack.
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- Bob Ateah
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Joomla works just fine for my needs... until I see a reason to change I'll stick with it.
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- drupal is superior only in regards to community portals. to act as if it's superior in any other way to joomla is just plain silly.
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- James Spencer
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It reminds me of a thread that i was reading at joomla!. Joomla! serves all the purposes that I need and operates perfectly at current development.
It is similar to the free gaming software that I use. Its the same status as soom, the next development was annouced almost a year ago and the development is going extremely slow. However, the current build still serves all the purposes that we need and the new one just makes things easier but bascially the same functionailty.
That is what I think with J! 1.5 - same stuff, just easier
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- Vince
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James S! wrote:
That is what I think with J! 1.5 - same stuff, just easier
And if I may add to that, - also still has the same basic CMS features missing from core;
* no improvement in ACL to manage user permissions
* SEF is still nowhere near as good as it needs to be (item ID in URL needs to be removed)
* Content version control - non-existant
Those to me are essential features missing from core product.
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- James Spencer
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Vince wrote:
James S! wrote:That is what I think with J! 1.5 - same stuff, just easier
And if I may add to that, - also still has the same basic CMS features missing from core;
* no improvement in ACL to manage user permissions
* SEF is still nowhere near as good as it needs to be (item ID in URL needs to be removed)
* Content version control - non-existant
Those to me are essential features missing from core product.
- Vince
That is why I think Joomla! has a vast, diverse 3rd party extensions directory. I believe these certainly outway the lacking in the core CMS. Im always in favor of extra 3rd party, bridged kinds of software as I always find that core integral softwares are always lacking - James Spencer / Developer & Support / Hull, UK
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- Bob Ateah
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Mack wrote:
If I could find RT quality templates for Drupal, I'd convert in a heartbeat. I'm a tech, not an artist. Andy is both and that's what makes RT what it is. Drupal isn't easy to skin and there are multiple template engines. Obviously It's a tough nut to crack or there would already be 20-50 template clubs like Joomla has. I think the first decent club in that space is going to make a killing.
Joomla still has it's place. It's easy to install, load a template and build a site. It's a great toy for the beginner webmaster. Once you graduate from that you have to look elsewhere for progress and advanced functionality.
I'm just curious, if, as you infer that Drupal is for the intermediate/ advanced webmaster, and if Drupal has "momentum", why pray tell do all the templates look so cheesy? Crap, I didn't see one template that looked modern and "sexy". It seems odd that advanced users would be thus far unable tro create a decent template. (I know next to nothing about Drupal except what I've researched since this topic appeared here)
Another thing, I went to the Drupal site and did a search on "real estate" - it seems that there are no decent Drupal Real Estate solutions (such as Hot Property for Joomla!) and the one project that was in the works is being stymied by the GPL.
I don't intend upon knocking Drupal, just stating my concerns with it.
With all due respect, I believe that the statement, "Joomla still has it's place. It's easy to install, load a template and build a site. It's a great toy for the beginner webmaster." is a bit elitist and somewhat of an insult to the many advanced webmasters that use Joomla!. (not saying that I am one of them)
To those that prefer Drupal, all the power to 'ya, to those that prefer Joomla!, all the power to 'ya.
Cheers! - Last Edit: 17 years 7 months ago by Bob Ateah.
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- James Spencer
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Roland Deschain wrote:
With all due respect, I believe that the statement, "Joomla still has it's place. It's easy to install, load a template and build a site. It's a great toy for the beginner webmaster." is a bit elitist and somewhat of an insult to the many advanced webmasters that use Joomla!. (not saying that I am one of them)
Cheers!
Agreed! In my opinion, CMS make everything so much easier to the beginner web designer thatn starting from scratch but that is just using the basics of a CMS, in this case Joomla! - it takes an advanced user to really take it to the next step. - James Spencer / Developer & Support / Hull, UK
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