Has the GPL announcement affected you as a Webmaster?
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- Daniel Chapman
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Is it GPL? Someone could take it over and make it LGPL perhaps if it is. ;D
EDIT: Just to make my stance a little clearer.
I don't think Joomla will die or possibly even come close, it does have a huge pile of good GPL extensions. So a large amount of the customer base will barely notice anything, if they notice at all.
It is still a very advanced and powerful CMS with strong forum support.
It will however take a bit of a hit from this debacle, and other CMS's will benefit from the 'fresh blood' of developers jumping ship.
If I ever decide to release anything that is wholly my own work, is niche focussed and does not have mass appeal, then I too will probably not release it for Joomla as I may want to make it proprietary either at that time or in the future.
I will be however looking at expanding my offerings of all products, GPL and otherwise, to different CMS's. If, for example, Joomla was to announce their intention to go GPL3 then I would have to leave joomla then. As GPL3 is hell for developers to make any money under and GPL 2 and 3 are not compatible.
For now I have no particular reason to leave as an extension developer.
I will however no longer be developing websites exclusively on Joomla. I rely on certain commercial products for which there is no GPL equivalent for some of my sites. I will see where these products go before making my decisions. I will probably stay within the joomla family though.
The clincher for Joomla though imo is that site developers like me will soon no longer be able to build 100% of their sites on Joomla. They have the pain in the a$$ of switching between 2 or even 3 CMS's if they want to keep using Joomla and still build all the site types they need to satisfy their customers.
However, it then becomes easier just to move to the CMS where all the commercial devs are going, because even though Mambo or whatever might not be as good as Joomla, at least I could build 100% of my sites there and not have to switch between CMS's all the time.
The beautifiul part though is because all the existing Joomla extensions are GPL, if I do happen to need one that isn't on my new CMS I can just grab the GPL code and modify it to work, or pay someone on Joomlancers $20 to do it for me. So I don't lose any extensions by leaving Joomla, but I do loose a lot by staying with Joomla.
The choice for website developers soon becomes not that difficult... :'(
Web developers aren't the -only- customers of Joomla, but I would be confident in saying they make up for a significant amount of the installs of Joomla. - Last Edit: 17 years 4 months ago by Daniel Chapman.
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- drstonyhills
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Have you ever been hit on your tibia with a base ball bat just before you went into to play a soccer game, thats how i feel and have felt for the past three weeks about this J!-Politics. I have neva felt furstrated and downcast on any project engaged in. I have done a great deal of consideration of alternatives, and have put all my work on the halt. infact STOP, cause it is merely pointless. Infact i for the past weeks just felt like abstaining from Joomla, trying to find an alternative. with the potentials of present Joomla. Not downlooking on Joomla, i must say it is one of the best on the market and finding an alternative not a piece of cake. Truly this discisions are to cripple not only developers but internet users experience at the end on all Joomla site.
Like said earlier, you bake a simple cake without its main componet flour (which i can liken to Joomla core) worst still we need extra components, we need butter, we need sugar, we need egg, we need oil (well not sure about this one ;D) imagine the butter factories just go off because flour does not want that butter brand to be used with it cause of compatiblitiy issues. woa, just think about it for a minute, what my happen to all them bakeries? Oh Please Save Greggs! :
:, well back to it. I dont know wether you guys have been doing this but i scroll through the extension pages and the components that are gone are just alarming. I hunted for Alpha Content, and had to finally be directed to their site to grab the copy (Just a question here! If a developer decides to discontinue developing his component, assuming that he still own all proprietary rights, can these components still be used on sites, I am guessing No, cause in the Joomla statement, it said it wanted to make *sites* compatible aswell??)
Well people, and alternative has and will neva come easy. I think it will be time for customers to get ready for doubled prices and developpers to prepare fo hour and hours of work to prepare a comprehensiev site. Grabbing what suits and what doesnt, examining its liscences and doing some simple *medical surgery ;D" haha. on them to make them look like what you want. Thats gonna take a good more time to do. - No money to extend membership
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- Zorro
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I'll have to echo Daniel's comments wholly. As someone who does web sites (on a relatively small scale), Mambo just reappeared on my radar, big time. I think Joomla core haven't done the project a favour with their current stance. Time will tell.
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Zorro
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- damo
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nothing has changed for me and i don't expect it to. joomla is a chunk of of what i do on the web but i've not had any emails from any of the non gpl developers that i use saying they are going to be going gpl
if they don't go gpl they've still got my support
i think people are putting to much, something, on this joomla statement ... - www.c3p0.se - sweden
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- James Spencer
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damo wrote:
nothing has changed for me and i don't expect it to. joomla is a chunk of of what i do on the web but i've not had any emails from any of the non gpl developers that i use saying they are going to be going gpl
if they don't go gpl they've still got my support
i think people are putting to much, something, on this joomla statement ...
I share the same views of damo.
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- GollumX
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i must check if mosets hot property is still available. if so.. what would happen if i bought 10licenses now for any future clients?
losing 'hot property' would definitely affect my business - Say no to Internet Explorer 6.
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- damo
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i hope everyone understands what this gpl announcement from joomla actually means?
it doesn't mean non gpl components can not still be developed or that they'll start to die off. as joomla gets bigger, which it will, you'll start to see more and more non gpl extensions become available. the reason you'll start to see more and more become available is demand.
just because joomla reiterate their license; gpl, and re-inform the community that the license is gpl doesn't mean developers are not going to develop and license non gpl
the onus is on the person that installs the extension and not on the developer who sells is. and for the record, joomla or osm, are not going to chase anyone down that installs a non gpl component; it's not worth the effort or expense. they will just turn a blind eye to it. osm have done what they have to do ...
basically. a developer can still sell non gpl to us and if they do i intend to buy. only from the triusted ones that i know of that is ... - www.c3p0.se - sweden
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- drstonyhills
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- right then what about those available now, which are already pulling away? meaning less performant comprehensive sites, so surely we are all in a way affected, aint we. ??
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- damo
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yes, right now we are effected (to some extent, because everything that worked 2 weeks ago still works today) but the people that are walking away, and i mean no disrespect here, should just sit around and wait a bit.
it's a human reaction to do what they are doing but some of us have done it before and learnt from our mistakes. sometimes it's better to just wait and not make a decision so quickly ...
they'll probably come back, with tail between legs or if there was a component that was very good and it's not developed any longer, someone else will hook into it and soon enough you'll have a new one
all that has happened here is joomla reiterating it's position on license. if the developers of non gpl extensions had said nothing it wouldn't have been blown out of all proportion, as it is now - www.c3p0.se - sweden
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- Daniel Chapman
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damo wrote:
i hope everyone understands what this gpl announcement from joomla actually means?
it doesn't mean non gpl components can not still be developed or that they'll start to die off. as joomla gets bigger, which it will, you'll start to see more and more non gpl extensions become available. the reason you'll start to see more and more become available is demand.
just because joomla reiterate their license; gpl, and re-inform the community that the license is gpl doesn't mean developers are not going to develop and license non gpl
the onus is on the person that installs the extension and not on the developer who sells is. and for the record, joomla or osm, are not going to chase anyone down that installs a non gpl component; it's not worth the effort or expense. they will just turn a blind eye to it. osm have done what they have to do ...
basically. a developer can still sell non gpl to us and if they do i intend to buy. only from the triusted ones that i know of that is ...
Any that do get developed though, run the risk of being sued. OSM has said they don't want to sue, but comments by individual members of OSM and the core seem to imply otherwise.
Either way no one wants to do business in an environment of 'We reserve the right to sue you at any time if you aren't doing what we want'
Hostile comments by those same members calling proprietary devs 'parasites', 'pollution' and the like have further driven a wedge between the J team and the 3pds.
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