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James S wrote:
I believe there are 2 things which make Joomla! a better CMS than the above mentioned and the rest that were not
First, the user interface in both frontend and backend is the best ive seen. Before joomla, I had done absolutely nothing to do with web but the ease of using joomla allowed me to pick up loads of things extremely quickly.
Secondly, this is nothing to do with the software itself, but the community surrounding Joomla! is still, as I see it, Joomla!s most important quality. No matter where you venture, as long as it focused at joomla!, you will always find a friendly face.
Ive tried Drupal, phpNuke & e107 after my initial play with Joomla!. My conclusion was ultimately that Joomla! was the better CMS for me. phpNuke annoys me for too many reasons and I have long term grudges when it comes to CMSs
. Drupal seems pretty good, and have seen it in use on some friends websites. The lacking, as we all know, is the template diversity which dilutes its potential.
So why choose Joomla!
For its
1. Community - IMMENSE ;D
2. Ease to any "newbie"
3. Template diversity (Rockettheme especially
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4. Third Party Extensions - theres a hell of a lot of them
Can't disagree with most of your comments. J! is a very easy to use and understand CMS.
What I will disagree with is your last comment. It's lack of template diversity. Agreed there is a lack of quality templates, which is what I said earlier in the thread (still waiting for Andy to jump in here with some opinions!) but to say that dilutes it's potential is not true. Take a look at some of the higher quality Drupal sites about and you will see that they are top notch designs that are not based on free/commercial templates.
If you were to qualify that comment saying that the lack of contents is a hindrance to people who have neither the wish or expertise to theme a site, then yes I would agree with that comment. Sometimes it's nice to know that you are creating a site that is unique and not available as a template to 15,000+ members.
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Simon Yeatman wrote:
If you were to qualify that comment saying that the lack of contents is a hindrance to people who have neither the wish or expertise to theme a site, then yes I would agree with that comment. Sometimes it's nice to know that you are creating a site that is unique and not available as a template to 15,000+ members.
That is an extremely good point. It all depends on what angle you are coming from. If you have the expertises to create something unqiue then why not if you have the time and resources.
However, there is only so much you can do in regards to template design. There will alwasy be another web site somewhere with at least a similar design to your. The templates may be accessible to 15,000 + members but, each person will make the template their own, in a matter of speaking. Just scanning through the Site Showcase forum and you see how individual some members websites can be as well as some very similar to the default template released. I believe you can take as much satisfaction, or somewhere close, if you have a template from RT, and make it unique.
If i played with Drupal a bit more, maybe my opinions will change. But seeing a vast range of templates for a product makes it easier to see what you can do with that particular CMS and drive you to make something as good or even better - James Spencer / Developer & Support / Hull, UK
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James S wrote:
Simon Yeatman wrote:
If you were to qualify that comment saying that the lack of contents is a hindrance to people who have neither the wish or expertise to theme a site, then yes I would agree with that comment. Sometimes it's nice to know that you are creating a site that is unique and not available as a template to 15,000+ members.
That is an extremely good point. It all depends on what angle you are coming from. If you have the expertises to create something unqiue then why not if you have the time and resources.
However, there is only so much you can do in regards to template design. There will alwasy be another web site somewhere with at least a similar design to your. The templates may be accessible to 15,000 + members but, each person will make the template their own, in a matter of speaking. Just scanning through the Site Showcase forum and you see how individual some members websites can be as well as some very similar to the default template released. I believe you can take as much satisfaction, or somewhere close, if you have a template from RT, and make it unique.
If i played with Drupal a bit more, maybe my opinions will change. But seeing a vast range of templates for a product makes it easier to see what you can do with that particular CMS and drive you to make something as good or even better
I'm gonna start sounding like a broken here, if not already!
I disagree again. When I look through the site showcase I see very few templates that are sufficiently far away from the default to not be instantly recognisable. I don't believe people join a template club to then completely rip that template apart and create something absolutely unique. That's not to say it does not happen, and I have used templates from RT because they fit my need, but I think most would recognise in an instant where they have come from. For personal sites of my own I am not comfortable with that and would prefer to make something absolutely unique. That's just my feeling.
In fact, I think I have come full circle from my earlier post, and now I do not see that a Drupal theme club would be that desirable as it would only encourage people to have very similar sites. One of the "benefits" of Drupal is that some effort is required to make a site your own, though I will admit some people do use the standard themes in Drupal.
I'm currently having to learn alot more about php and css than I have ever needed with Joomla, which some will see as a complete pain, but as you have said it depends where you are coming from and your timescales/resources.
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Simon Yeatman wrote:
Dave Gee! wrote:David York wrote:How many of the knocks against Joomla that were mentioned in this thread will be addressed in 1.5 ?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but seems that I had heard long ago (the Beta Release of 1.5) that Jommla 1.5 would offer unlimited Sections. I do think that many of the differences are being worked out in 1.5. BUT..
I've not seen this anywhere, in fact I thought I read the opposite somewhere. Does anyone have a definitive answer on this? J! without this restriction would be such a better cms. It's a key benefit of Drupal.
I may need to clarify this. I read this on a discussion board about a year or more ago. It was just a few months after Joomla was announced. Andy, if you are reading, any knowledge on that? Seems that the discussion was about with the current Joomla 1.0.x you had Sections, Categories, Content, a three leveled system, whereas with Joomla 1.5 you could have a hierarchical system of four, or five - or even 20, if you like. With 1.5 you weren't constrained by just the three levels (or two).
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Dave Gee! wrote:
Simon Yeatman wrote:Dave Gee! wrote:David York wrote:How many of the knocks against Joomla that were mentioned in this thread will be addressed in 1.5 ?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but seems that I had heard long ago (the Beta Release of 1.5) that Jommla 1.5 would offer unlimited Sections. I do think that many of the differences are being worked out in 1.5. BUT..
I've not seen this anywhere, in fact I thought I read the opposite somewhere. Does anyone have a definitive answer on this? J! without this restriction would be such a better cms. It's a key benefit of Drupal.
I may need to clarify this. I read this on a discussion board about a year or more ago. It was just a few months after Joomla was announced. Andy, if you are reading, any knowledge on that? Seems that the discussion was about with the current Joomla 1.0.x you had Sections, Categories, Content, a three leveled system, whereas with Joomla 1.5 you could have a hierarchical system of four, or five - or even 20, if you like. With 1.5 you weren't constrained by just the three levels (or two).
dave
Well I just fired up a J! 1.5 install and I can only create Sections and Categories. No hierarchical system as I thought. Unless there is some other way to do this?
One for J! 2.0 I guess.
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Dave Gee! wrote:
Simon Yeatman wrote:Dave Gee! wrote:David York wrote:How many of the knocks against Joomla that were mentioned in this thread will be addressed in 1.5 ?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but seems that I had heard long ago (the Beta Release of 1.5) that Jommla 1.5 would offer unlimited Sections. I do think that many of the differences are being worked out in 1.5. BUT..
I've not seen this anywhere, in fact I thought I read the opposite somewhere. Does anyone have a definitive answer on this? J! without this restriction would be such a better cms. It's a key benefit of Drupal.
I may need to clarify this. I read this on a discussion board about a year or more ago. It was just a few months after Joomla was announced. Andy, if you are reading, any knowledge on that? Seems that the discussion was about with the current Joomla 1.0.x you had Sections, Categories, Content, a three leveled system, whereas with Joomla 1.5 you could have a hierarchical system of four, or five - or even 20, if you like. With 1.5 you weren't constrained by just the three levels (or two).
dave
I was reading something on the main J! website and I believe that is the intended direction. Im not sure if its going to be built in somewhere in the future for 1.5 but as Simon said, it is not in the Beta :'(
I try not to play with the Beta as I get too many problems
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Simon Yeatman wrote:
Sometimes it's nice to know that you are creating a site that is unique and not available as a template to 15,000+ members.
That's where a really good selection of modifications could come in handy. Of course, that would defeat the need for a modification award.
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