is it safe to upgrade from j17 to j25?
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- marinus
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Iam not entering in to a debate about it.You're funny....
You talk about an opinion but you're not gonna discuss it...
RT has to drawl a line somewhere - it is up to them where they draw that line.lol, as a customer i would never say that ...
I am simply putting forward my view that I personally would prefer RT to focus on new monthly templates and extensions than to commit time and resources retrospectively towards updating any legacy template more than say a year old.
Thats great but ive seen designers here who still use an older template on their own website. IF they wish to upgrade joomla then a template should follow...Not everybody wants another template after a joomla upgrade,they wanna use the same one... - Subscribed to Joomla + PhpBB template group.
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- Adrian Cooper
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I am pleased that you find my views so amusing
All I am saying is that if you or anyone else wants to comment on my opinion, then go right ahead. But I am not going to justify my opionion, because it is just that - an opinion - keeping in mind I have been with Joomla from the beginning and RT from 2005, so it is an opinion based on my own experience.
No - I am sure you wouldn't say where RT should draw the line
But being a technologist - 35 years in computers/software/networking and 25 years in the Internet - and founded and managed two public, national technology companies - I have a good appreciation of what must go on behind the scenes at RT and the decisions they must face every day.
It is easy for RT members to complain about the way Andy runs RT, just because they have paid their $70 or whatever ir is now , but $70 is exceptional value and definitely not the basis to be overly critical about RT.
I would pay double that or more, because I think it is worth it, but I suppose you will tell me now that I shouldn't say that either
As for older templates - I have sites that cover all Joomla releases and RT templates and extensions that go back years. Retrospectively supporting and updating all the legacy stuff, for the low annual fee we pay, would be a totally unreasonable expectation.
If I were Andy - which I am not or am I associated with RT in any way - I would publish an "update and legacy policy" so members know more or less what to expect in terms of updates etc.
My position is that it is for the website admin to update sites to the current state of the art, not expect RT to work to the lowest common denominator all the time.
And yes - I have very high traffic Jooma 1.x sites right now that I am faced with upgrading - I think the term is "progress"
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- Chrisps
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Adrian Cooper wrote:
Did you actually read this thread before posting?Of course I did. I'm not an idiot, and I'm not new at this. Just because you say everything works 'flawlessly' for you doesn't mean it will for others. If it did, this thread never would have been started. And I am sure you have not installed and tested all themes.
I am am using Joomla 2.5.1 after upgrading from 1.7.4, and every RT product I have installed already works flawlessly under 2.5x.
I don't know whether other RT members have any issues, but if so they are probably minor - or not related to RT at all - or much older templates. All the RokExtensions for 1.7x work perfectly under 2.5.I'm not talking about extensions. Minor or not, we pay for the memberships, so the themes are expected to be ready to go out of the box, under a reasonable amount of time for upgrades to be made.[/quote]
If there are any minor issues, I am sure RT can fix them quickly - because they will be minor.If minor, then by your own admission, they should fix them quickly. What are we waiting for?
As for how far back RT should retrospectively update their templates to keep up with Joomla releases - I don't think it is reasonable for them to go back further than January 2011 or before Joomla 1.5.Now that's just an absolutely ridiculous statement altogether. So what you're saying is that RT should basically have a year's worth of themes available for us, for 2.5, at this point. Are you serious? There are some very nice RT themes from 2010, which I'm sure fit many projects. Yootheme has 2.5 ready themes as far back as July 2009. Marinus mentioned this as well.
My position is that it is for the website admin to update sites to the current state of the art, not expect RT to work to the lowest common denominator all the time.Another ridiculous statement. Part of what we pay for is updates. Your comment would only hold logic if we were paying for single themes. But, ahem... we're not. Expecting us to update ourselves is completely crazy.
It is easy for RT members to complain about the way Andy runs RT, just because they have paid their $70 or whatever ir is now , but $70 is exceptional value and definitely not the basis to be overly critical about RT.This is just YOUR basis. The plain fact is that we pay for products and service, regardless of the amount. I would pay more, of course, but that's totally off the subject.
I have a good appreciation of what must go on behind the scenes at RT and the decisions they must face every day.As do I, and most other members, I'm sure. But if other companies can kick out these updates, so can RT.
But being a technologist - 35 years in computers/software/networking and 25 years in the Internet - and founded and managed two public, national technology companiesBravo. Then sir, with such a self-proclaimed impressive resume: Why not volunteer to help Andy and his team with updates?
I believe you're taking this personal. It's not. It's all business.
RT is a great company, with excellent products, which is why I would love to see them up to speed. Like I said, we just got many updated for 1.6/1.7. For example, Affinity, which is a sweet theme, was made compatible for 1.7 just before 2.5 was released. That's lagging way too far behind, in my opinion. All I'm asking is for them to keep up better than they have. And I certainly don't think that's an unreasonable request.
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- Andy Miller
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We're going to be working on a chart that will show compatibility with the various versions of Joomla. Our templates are complex, along with our powerful framework, we have to use overrides, and when these change in Joomla, it makes for breaking incompatibilities between versions (1.7 and 2.5 for example) of our templates. If we address these too early, then it would break for users of previous versions, so we have to ensure we release when the majority of users are on these versions.
Also, as I'm sure you can appreciate, you the users are not exposed to the intricacies and the complexities that arise with each Joomla release. We do our best to shield you from the issues we face with bugs and things breaking in the Joomla core, however, rest-assured, they do occur and these things do cause considerable development effort. Makers of simpler, less-feature-packed templates probably skirt these issues because they are basically only dealing with CSS and some minor code functionality. However, RocketTheme users expect more, and as such, it means more work, and that takes time.
Trust me when I say we are working on this things as fast as we possibly can.
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- yaani
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Andy,
I can only imagine the difficulties RT faces keeping up with the recent Joomla framework changes. The changes have been fast & frequent lately.
I wish I could help test more & report back but I have a couple of clients wanting their new websites immediately so I am too busy developing new sites (using 1.7.5 for right now as it is easy to upgrade to 2.5 when I have the time to thoroughly test).
I have upgraded one site to 2.5.1 that uses Momentum & there are no issues with it.
Thank you for all the hard work you guys are doing to provide us with all those templates that are going to be compatible with the latest & greatest Joomla version.
Everyone, can you please be a little more understanding & patient. They are working on this to provide us with compatible versions just as soon as they can.
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- Adrian Cooper
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Andy Miller wrote:
We're going to be working on a chart that will show compatibility with the various versions of Joomla. Our templates are complex, along with our powerful framework, we have to use overrides, and when these change in Joomla, it makes for breaking incompatibilities between versions (1.7 and 2.5 for example) of our templates. If we address these too early, then it would break for users of previous versions, so we have to ensure we release when the majority of users are on these versions.
Also, as I'm sure you can appreciate, you the users are not exposed to the intricacies and the complexities that arise with each Joomla release. We do our best to shield you from the issues we face with bugs and things breaking in the Joomla core, however, rest-assured, they do occur and these things do cause considerable development effort. Makers of simpler, less-feature-packed templates probably skirt these issues because they are basically only dealing with CSS and some minor code functionality. However, RocketTheme users expect more, and as such, it means more work, and that takes time.
Trust me when I say we are working on this things as fast as we possibly can.
I trust you Andy - believe me.
I just wish many other members did as well.
I can see both "sides of the equation".
Joomla.org are not exactly helping with a series of releases that "moves the goal posts" every time, but nevertheless, some paying RT subscribers are not interested in the technicalities, but rather only demand that RT keeps all their templates and extensions totally up to date.
Every Joomla release impacts the Gantry framework, as well as template extensions, and with an ever increasing number of RT templates and extensions, keeping pace with Joomla.org is increasingly impractical and unreasonable.
This is why I maintain that development should best be focused on new templates for current Joomla versions, while retrospectively updating legacy templates and extensions as practical - but never on demand.
"chrisps" - you are entitled to your opinion, after all, you have been a member for all of 8 months. - Last Edit: 13 years 3 months ago by Adrian Cooper.
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- Jason Kopacko
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Andy Miller wrote:
Trust me when I say we are working on this things as fast as we possibly can.
Andy,
How can I help with chart? I am no programmer, but I can work on documentation or any other menial task that will make your lives easier. - Thank you,
Jason
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- Chrisps
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Thank you, Andy. RT has the best framework, and wonderful themes, which is why I'm here. Thank you for addressing this.
"chrisps" - you are entitled to your opinion, after all, you have been a member for all of 8 months.@Adrian Cooper: I find that comment rude, obnoxious and condescending. Who do you think you are? That was childish and uncalled for. Members do not deserve to be treated like this.
And let's get it straight: I wasn't talking to you in the first place. I was addressing the RT staff. None of it concerned you, especially since you have offered nothing what-so-ever of any value. With all your magical talent, why not get off your read-end and help Andy?
You being here since 2005 doesn't impress me. You words, however, show the truth. You turned this into an argument, and I don't think this is the place for it. You provide nothing but argumentative narcissistic responses which are in no way helping anyone.
I would appreciate that if you have nothing constructive to add to my questions or comments, that you not address me.
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- Andy Miller
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- Ok guys, this thread is getting out of hand and way off-topic. I'm going to close this one and if there are specific issues about upgrading from 1.7 to 2.5 please open a new thread
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