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  • Re: All commercial extensions & templates available for Joomla are now open source?

    Posted 17 years 10 months ago
    • Even the core members of Joomla don't understand the difference between opinion and facts, so it's going to be harder for us to understand the difference.

      Here's an interesting question: Linux is GPL, so...are all applications written for Linux also GPL ? Are there any commercial applications for Linux, and if so, how do they exist? It's a similar situation with Joomla...Joomla is a framework, but anything within the framework becomes GPL. Does anything within Linux become GPL? If not, why not? That might provide the rationale whereby extensions and templates can function within Joomla and not be GPL.
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  • Re: All commercial extensions & templates available for Joomla are now open source?

    Posted 17 years 10 months ago
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  • Re: All commercial extensions & templates available for Joomla are now open source?

    Posted 17 years 10 months ago
    • whats goin on here?
    • No money to extend membership :(
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  • Re: All commercial extensions & templates available for Joomla are now open source?

    Posted 17 years 10 months ago
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  • Re: All commercial extensions & templates available for Joomla are now open source?

    Posted 17 years 10 months ago
    • James S! wrote:

      The main topic is on the Joomla! forums forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,163492.0.html

      Happy reading :)

      Thats the longest board i have ever seen ;D

      But lets be serious here! Does this mean Joomla is going money-free?

      Well whatever this may mean i think there should be a serious review of the GPL thats holds this project, so does this mean that all cormecial extensions will now be considered as non compliant and will not be promoted on the joomla website? on some board "It is possible that an extension could work within Joomla! and not be considered a derivative work according to copyright law" can sobody please explain to me what this means? so if my extension is built just for joomla and only joomla and just to cover the cost for which i made it it will not be considered as derivative work?

      To keep this short, i am not clearly sure whether we are talking about a different GPL liscense but one thing i know is that people should be recompensed for their work appropriately, if some one says well ill give you this free, at least a thank you on his forum will be satisfactory for him but if he is to sell it to cover his production cost it should be ok. shouldnit it?

      What then is going to happen with commercial extensions? because it is talking about sites being compliant aswell, so from my understanding of this if a site uses an extension which is commercial, hence non derivative work of joomla, it is not compliant with the law backing the project. That does not smell good to me. Nothing good comes easy worst still cheap (timewise, moneywise, intellectually etc) most of the GPL solutions though good, may not be appropriate for my site so whats gonna happen?

      Well I dont know. I am sorry if i did not understand the news, or the forums or whatever is being said, but one thing is pertinent to me, when money and law come together the end is obviously not smelling good. We better keep this two appart, but respecting their values to keep us going, if some one is happy offering his services free good for him, thank him and God bless him, but if some ones sacrificed for something he should be recompensed appropriatly! This may have drastic impact!!!
    • No money to extend membership :(
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  • Re: All commercial extensions & templates available for Joomla are now open source?

    Posted 17 years 10 months ago
    • Most questions have answered from what I have seen at Joomla!. Its just a matter of scanning through.
    • James Spencer / Developer & Support / Hull, UK
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  • Re: All commercial extensions & templates available for Joomla are now open source?

    Posted 17 years 10 months ago
    • lol people need to read the Joomla Announcement in detail.

      1. Commercial devs can still charge for a product
      ...however...
      2. People can then take that product which they bought, not modify it at all and make it available for free, or even worse, for $10 less than the designer charges.

      3. It will mean a serious rethink on how people do business. I cannot say if it will be a lot or a few, but we WILL lose some extensions over this. Because either the product doesn't fit any of the viable GPL business models, or the designer doesn't fit any of the viable GPL business models.

      4. Andy is part of the core team. He had some say in the outcome of this, so he more than most knew what going to happen to his templates.

      5. Accusations of this being rigged in favor of templates (because Andy is onthe team and makes templates duh) are simply not true. The notes regarding templates can I am pretty sure be applied to the CSS, Javascript and images used in normal extensions and thus copyrighted. I initially thought this rigging was the case (not for Andy's sake, merely that it was unfair to other extensions), but the core team announcement that the actual code of the templates must be GPL is exactly the point I made as the only fair option.

      6. Despite us losing a few extensions I think we will gain a few as well. Nature abhors a vaccum, and I hope that Joomla is big enough now to not collapse in on itself, and will instead fill that vaccum with GPL development houses.

      7. If you want to ensure that you -don't- lose all the great extensions we have, then make sure that you do not become a GPL abusing leech, and when a developer asks for payment respect their request and support them instead of running off getjoomla!stufffree.com for it.

      8. Also boycott any getAndysTemplatesfor$10Less.com sites. Even though it might be better for your wallet now, if it means the real developer goes out of business, your wallet or your business will hurt more in the long run. Your saving of $10 today might cost you a lot more in the future.

      9. If you are however intending to modify the code for the benefit of the community and re-release it, then I personally don't have a problem with you snagging something for free if you absolutely -must- because at least you are giving -something- back to the community. (note, changing the color scheme does not contistute a significant community benefit)

      10. It is not the end of the world. Or even Joomla. It is a small revolution, and people hate change. But In a few months a lot of people will be wondering what all the fuss was about.
    • Last Edit: 17 years 10 months ago by Daniel Chapman.
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  • Re: All commercial extensions & templates available for Joomla are now open source?

    Posted 17 years 10 months ago
    • lol people need to read the Joomla Announcement in detail.
      And read all the information regarding the change
      Daniel Chapman wrote:
      5. Accusations of this being rigged in favor of templates (because Andy is onthe team and makes templates duh) are simply not true. The notes regarding templates can I am pretty sure be applied to the CSS, Javascript and images used in normal extensions and thus copyrighted. I initially thought this rigging was the case (not for Andy's sake, merely that it was unfair to other extensions), but the core team announcement that the actual code of the templates must be GPL is exactly the point I made as the only fair option.
      This is confirmed, again on Joomla!.Daniel Chapman wrote:
      10. It is not the end of the world. Or even Joomla. It is a small revolution, and people hate change. But In a few months a lot of people will be wondering what all the fuss was about.

      Precisely :)
    • James Spencer / Developer & Support / Hull, UK
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  • Re: All commercial extensions & templates available for Joomla are now open source?

    Posted 17 years 10 months ago
    • i read everything

      and a lot of the posts (man.....)

      and in part i agree with many of your points
      and like you said andy is part of the core team
      so im sure he would put his point across from both the developers point of view as well as for the benefit of joomla.

      *Man can you imagine that meeting* :o

      im just sorry that some of the great extention devs will lose out because of it.

      and maybe im a little afraid of change ::)

      its all good though - i just like to complain :)

      7. If you want to ensure that you -don't- lose all the great extensions we have, then make sure that you do not become a GPL abusing leech, and when a developer asks for payment respect their request and support them instead of running off getjoomla!stufffree.com for it.

      uhh, i just thought does that allow wares sites for joomla legal? :o ??? :'(
    • Last Edit: 17 years 10 months ago by .
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  • Re: All commercial extensions & templates available for Joomla are now open source?

    Posted 17 years 10 months ago
    • My reading of this is that it's okay to post the source code of previously commercial extensions. You can even offer them for sale.

      Roger
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