Joomla and Ecommerce R.I.P VirtueMart
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- Penn Wooding
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- I would much rather be in control of the software, I certainly don't want to be paying a monthly free. I want something that integrates into joomla, I know where I stand there.
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- Penn Wooding
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- I've been having a look at ClickCartPro and it looks quite promising. However, the big difference between VirtueMart & CCP is VirtueMart is free, but CCP will cost you £200 for a license for just one website. So it's certainly not a cheap option.
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- Frank Nilsen
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Penn Wooding wrote:
I've been having a look at ClickCartPro and it looks quite promising. However, the big difference between VirtueMart & CCP is VirtueMart is free, but CCP will cost you £200 for a license for just one website. So it's certainly not a cheap option.
I agree that paying a monthly fee is certainly out of the question, but I don't mind paying a one-time license for a cart app where I can get reliable support. I've spent many hours struggling with VM and ECJC Online Shop (the Joomla-osCommerce bridge app) researching fixes or finding contributions. Or worse -- having to go back and bug-fix community contributions. Those costs in terms of time and aggravation add up. Don't get me wrong, I love open source, but sometimes it's worth writing a check, particularly where sales and a revenue stream is involved! A decent, well written and supported cart application that integrates with Joomla is number 1 on my wish list.
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- Penn Wooding
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I am totally with you, I don't mind paying for something if it works, I just thought I better make it clear that CCP is nothing like VirtueMart in any way shape or form. You can't just download it, you need to either purchase it, or apply for a 15 day trial. There is a lot more work to configure and set it up. I did download the trial and I have tinkered with it and I don't think it will be too difficult to set up, it will take a lot longer than VirtueMart however. they do a version that integrates with Joomla, however I would actually be inclined not to bother doing this as I don't see any advantage, unless you actually want a website running next to your shop of course.
Of all the shopping cart I have looked at, this is definitely the most user-friendly. Expensive, definitely, but definitely worth purchasing if you want something isn't a nightmare to set up. I particularly like the way they have designed shipping. I wish VirtueMart would do something about their shipping, it's absolutely diabolical and so difficult to get right. - http://www.Oscarfishlover.com - the website for great Oscar Fish advice and help
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- Sam Taylor
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I heard at the last JUGA NYC meeting that Dioscouri.com is coming out with a new shopping cart. They make JUGA/AMBRA etc. Nice people and Raphael is a really good developer. I would wait and see and maybe try that route, but I am biased as I love their products.
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- Penn Wooding
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- I would be interested to know if anybody has successfully setup VirtueMart shipping so that when you purchase multiple products that each have their own shipping value, the damn thing actually works.
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- Christopher Pennington
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OK, it's been awhile....I apologize for the delay in responding to some of the PMs I've gotten about ClickCart. We suddenly got swamped with web work. when it rains, it pours I guess. Anywho, ClickCartPro V. 7 is out and it's just as slick as I had described. Intelligent shipping, Google checkout JFusion integration...the list is far too long to get into..setting it up in Joomla requires a couple of settings and a few clicks...magic.
www.kryptronic.com/Shopping-Cart-Software-Joomla
www.kryptronic.com/demojoomla/store/index.php
I spent quite a bit of time with the developers on the phone lately...and this thing is so smart when it comes to shipping, there isn't a scenario you can think of that CCP doesn't handle.(think product dimensions, bundled shipping) Nick has also put a lot of thought and effort into making sure the Joomla integration is uber tight..
I've asked Nick to possibly spend a little time reaching out to developers..possibly creating an API guide for CCP..I would love to see hundreds of extensions in the JED for ClickCart soon. The guys at kryptronic are working on a dedicated forum for the Joomla side of CCP as well. Hope to see some of you guys there. :cheesy: - www.onestopknoxville.com
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- Christopher Pennington
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A small side note about the cost of CCP. When doing a CvB, I can tell you from experience...if I had to choose between the hours required to setup Virtuemart, tweaking the flypages so they aren't so ugly, configuring all of the funky parameters and still ending up with a half assed, barely functional cart system or using ClickCart and having it up and running in less than an hour ...well i think the choice is obvious. Depending on what you charge your client..the cost of setting up an ugly Virtuemart can far exceed the cost of a license of CCP. Not to mention Kryptronic offers sales and discounts all the time. I've been pestering Nick to offer a discount to rockettheme members as i've seen that sort of thing here now and then. I've even gotten a license for ClickCart for 99.00 (on sale) in the past...I spent more than that on JomSocial for cryin out loud..A social networking component. I think they still offer bulk licensing as well, I'll have to ask about that.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but e-commerce is our bread and butter. Sure we do the occasional pretty brochureware, but shopping carts are where we make our living. With Joomla and CCP our production workflow has been simplified by orders of magnitude. We no longer have to spend countless hours fooling around with the CSS of Virtuemart or trying to figure out how to pull products from the old version of clickcart to display on the site we built in Joomla, etc.. - www.onestopknoxville.com
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- Penn Wooding
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I did download the trial version of CCP and I think you should be honest and tell people that is no where near as straightforward to setup as VirtueMart. However it is a lot more sophisticated & looks like it will do what you want it to do. I just hope that the shipping rates are easy to set up. The problem with VirtueMart is that the developers designed the shipping rates to calculate the price using the weight of the products. I've managed to get mine working using set shipping costs for each item. However , let's say you have various shipping costs for a pair of shoes, as we do for UK, mainland Europe and the rest of the world, with a little tweaking of figures, it's very easy to set it up to work flawlessly. However, I have found it impossible to set it up so that if somebody orders multiple orders, the shipping rates adjust automatically to accommodate for the extra items. If you've got a pair of shoes with a shipping cost of £5.00, and a pair of trousers with a shipping cost of £3.00, if somebody adds both these items to their cart, VirtueMart will only add the highest shipping rate to your order. So someone will pay £5.00 p&p for the trousers and footwear, and would probably do the same if they ordered 10 items.
I've no doubt that you could set up within an hour, but only if you are familiar with it, I could setup a VirtueMart shop in a time at all, but I've been using it for a few years now. There is a lot more to CCP and if you've never used it before, it's going to take you a few hours to get your head around it.
It is a very professional looking shopping cart that seems to have quite a few templates available for at so I have no doubt in saying that you could charge well in excess of £2000 for even a medium-sized store so even when you pass over the cost of the software to your client, you're still going to make a healthy profit.
I'm not convinced that you're going to gain much by using the CCP Joomla version. I think it's also worth saying that it's not an extension like VirtueMart and will not be quite as straightforward to install.
All in all, it looks quite promising, how much better it will be than OSCommerce is impossible to say. All I can say is £200 is a lot of money to pay for something that may be no better than a lot of free software that you can obtain. - http://www.Oscarfishlover.com - the website for great Oscar Fish advice and help
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- Christopher Pennington
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Just so there's no confusion...the cost of CCP currently is $200.00 USD NOT £200.00 pounds.
As to being honest...I am being as honest as I could possibly be...
I'm curious to know how you installed the demo since it requires a license before the installer will download the actual software?
If you can install Joomla..you can install ClickCart...
if you can install the modules for Virtuemart..you can do the same for the CCP integration.
I too can install Virtuemart in a matter of minutes..however, my point was, at the end of the day...look what those few minutes have wrought versus what you end up with when you're done with CCP. As to templates for ClickCart...that's the entire point of the joomla integration. You don't need any additional templates.
Clickcart is indeed more feature rich...and if you're the sort who's been making do with Virtuemart, you'll most likely never need or even bother with a great deal of the advanced functionality. Everyone knows that Magento, Virtuemart etc..all have the shipping limitations (ie. weight and zip code only) which alone makes them unusable in my estimation. Flat rate shipping to me, is like sticking a piece of bubble gum in the dam wall.
You've installed the demo but have you looked under the hood yet? Have you seen how simple the shipping setup page is? Put in your API key, etc..etc..and away you go.
Take a real close look and you'll see it's more than just "promising". I truly believe it's the answer to the Joomla shopping cart woes. I'm certain I won't convince everyone...especially anyone who doesn't actually put it to work...but for my company it's the greatest thing since Joomla itself. I'm considering making some video tutorials on installing it..so people can perhaps have a look at just how quickly you can install it and get it up and running. - www.onestopknoxville.com
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