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- The Wingman
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If you see someone using IE6 -- friends, family, coworker...just laugh real hard and for along time. Then say these words while laughing. "That's like 1950 in the computer world!" Then say - "OMG! Just update to firefox! Sheeze already!" You will see them update like a bandit. Why?
One - they really don't know and it is scary if your new to computers and the internet.
Two - people take cues from others when they are new to something and they don't like to look stupid!
So, basically they don't want to get laughed at and look stupid...sounds cruel, but man - ever have to fix someones computer that is infected with Spyware, Adware or worse? Are have them thinking they need to replace their computer cause it is so slow? That pisses me off when people around me can't use their computers or think it is normal of for their computers to be slow like that...or worse think they have to go waste money and buy a new computer.
It's called "Tough Computer Love!" :cheesy: - "You can learn a lot from a dummy. So, pay attention to yourself." Quote by me.
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- Tyndie
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- Percentage wise on community sites and design sites firefox will be quite high, but on big news sites where there is quite a diverse range of users the percentage that use firefox 3.5 cant be that much higher than those use ie6
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- The Wingman
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Brian Tyndall wrote:
Percentage wise on community sites and design sites firefox will be quite high, but on big news sites where there is quite a diverse range of users the percentage that use firefox 3.5 cant be that much higher than those use ie6
But that is the point - Education starts in the home! or on the web in the community.
Hence, all my projects are faceted with many levels of awareness built into them. I don't just build community sites - I build resourceful and educating community sites. 
Facebook is a web based community site that can easily be replaced city by city with personal community sites.
Think of it this way - FaceBook was built out of the idea that - I can do it better than my schools community website and faster. Then it spread from college to college with those college students telling there friends and families to join. It grew because it was based on the needs of the community based on the community vs. the school building a website they perceived would be good for the college students and faculty based on perceived conceptions. Hence, if you go to that school website now - it is better built and followed the lead of Facebook. In other words, a well staffed and educated organization who sets the standards for education, has been around for years, attracts millions of college students who want to go there - didn't know BLANKETY BLANK jack diddly squat about how to build a website or what direction to go. It took a student, who they almost expelled for hacking their computer system and downloading all their student pictures to use for his original site "theFaceBook.com" to show them the BLANKET BLANK way.
It starts with the community first, not the big websites, and it is up to "US" as designers and developers to show the consumer and clients the way. Basically, we need to get some balls and take a firm fatherly/motherly stance and guide them and make websites that help them. If you want to to take on FaceBook? Start in your community! You want to educate them the way of the web - build it into your community site. But all this wanna be - I am going to build the next FaceBook that everyone will flock to - will more times fall on their face if they don't grasp the full picture - and if you want to do that - start with your community to get a better picture, but don't forget to educate them on the ways of the web and build it into your sites - if facebook or google or youtube took a stance against bad browsers - man "all excuses would be out the door."
Let's see who couldn't upgrade if they couldn't access facebook anymore - since now facebook has become a part of the corporate world presence. Also, how many users would crap their pants if they couldn't get on facebook (youtube, twitter etc). I bet you 99.9999999% of all users would upgrade and this whole conversation would be a mute point and we wouldn't have to stand here with our thumbs up our butts coming up with excuses for why we should support IE6 or for that matter any browser that is not web compliant.
Why is it in cars - we can isolate and understand pieces of crap and watch them fall to the way (Yugo)and for that matter pretty much everything else, but man - we sit back and let "IE6" do it's thing of extreme horror.
It should be declared a national disaster. How much money does it cost everyone? Watching families choose between getting a new computer cause their old one, un-beknownst to them only problem is IE6 , and they have to turn around and buy another one with - you guessed it IE F'ing 6 on it again over using that money for their family. Plus, add that to the bane of every developer, website owner, designer, security tech and more cost. You would see a dollar sign that says "BIG MOFO NATURAL DISASTER!" Of course it is not a natural disaster - cause why? IE, Computer Manufactures All could of a long time ago put a stop to it, but why would they - MS and the manufactures make money because people discard their computers to buy new ones. If anyone want to try to tell me that they don't know this...then you have no business skill or understanding what's so ever.
I am not one of those "Tweedle Beetles" (people who are as dumb as a rock and make out rages statements and follow them
) that dogs companies and try's to ban them "MS", "Walmart", but I am educated enough to recognize when they need to clean up their act or know when they are full of BS. Trust me - I don't listen to "Tweedle Beetles" and their paranoid gibberish, but I do know when I see a joke of a move by a company or companies that makes them show their ass. And, well, IE6 is a JOKE!
Oh, and based on my experience of helping people in the community getting their computers back up and running tip-top shape. 99.999999999% I removed IE6, cleaned up the mess it caused and gave them back their computers and they are all still chugging away happy with their computers and didn't have to be without one or have to buy a new one. So, I didn't just pull this conclusion out of my ass.
IE6 SUCKS! PERIOD! LMAO hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha - boy I like to rant. 
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- Tyndie
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Let's see who couldn't upgrade if they couldn't access facebook anymore -
since now facebook has become a part of the corporate world presence.
Also, how many users would crap their pants if they couldn't get on
facebook (youtube, twitter etc). I bet you 99.9999999% of all users would
upgrade and this whole conversation would be a mute point and we wouldn't
have to stand here with our thumbs up our butts coming up with excuses for
why we should support IE6 or for that matter any browser that is not web
compliant.
Most of those users would be trying to access them at work
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- John Hodgkinson
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- Retired, but build and run websites for organisations of school leaders and others - e.g. http://www.icponline.org, http://www.aspa.asn.au, http://www.appa.asn.au
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I agree that IE6 is terrible and has to be removed from the face of the earth. I don't think that anyone in this thread has disagreed with that belief (if I'm wrong, forgive me). However, not all of us have the ability to even influence, let alone demand, that visitors to our sites upgrade their browser. 16-25% of the visitors to my sites still use IE6 (a lower % use Firefox), and I have absolutely no way of influencing their ICT decisions. Most of them don't have that capacity, either, as they do not have control, or even influence, over the sort of ICT hardware and software that their systems run - they are mainly in government-owned agencies - and not in North America.
It would be great to be able to say to my visitors, to whom I am contracted - upgrade your browser, or you will not be able to visit **your** website any longer. I tried that, in very polite words, with one group - they told me that they would find another website manager. I have to eat.
I wish that I lived in the ideal world, where website developers could dictate what browser their clients used, but I don't.
Most of my clients are not highly computer-literate, nor do they usually have an onsite technical support person, so upgrading has to be a central decision, done over the internet. And not all technical support people know much about any aspect of ICT apart from the centrally-controlled hardware and software. You pay peanuts ... you get monkeys.
This thread is going in circles. We agree that IE6 is terrible. We agree that it should be consigned to the fires of Hell. But some of us are stuck with site visitors with it.
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- The Wingman
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Please forgive my tone...it is not that I am not aware of that. It is just that I don't care anymore. I design sites for me and what I want. See, yes, I am in the position to go "Pffft!" to anyone using IE6 or attempting to get me to adjust a site for IE6, so, I actually live in that ideal world looking out.
But that doesn't stop me from being socially conscious of others nor does it stop me from helping others or attempting to help on a grander scale doing my part.
So, while the conversation may appear to go in circles, due to the whinyness of the it I am making a statement that - if everyone does just a little - we can all combined make a big difference. I figure in my web lifetime - I have converted if not more about a hundred plus individuals. Now get 1000 web designers and more doing that - and WOW it starts to add up. 100 becomes 100,000 thousand then soon 100000 becomes 1 million and so on!
United we stand, divided IE6 wins! LMAO - Keep up the good fight fellow brethren and hang in their! Do what you got to do, but don't forget the resistance is building. 
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- Roeland_A!
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Holy crap Wingman, you are in the wrong business, you should have become a writer :cheesy:
The amount of lines you produce on a topic as this is just awesome!! - *Karma comes in many forms, my personal favourite is the random saucepan from the sky* J.Spencer 17-02-2009
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- The Wingman
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Roeland Aernoudts wrote:
Holy crap Wingman, you are in the wrong business, you should have become a writer :cheesy:
The amount of lines you produce on a topic as this is just awesome!!
LMAO I get a little passionate sometimes.
What I want to do is produce this site that I have been dreaming about...I finally bought the domain name. ToughComputerLove.com/org - sort of going along the lines of ToughLove program to help raise awareness of UPDATE YOUR BROWSER & COMPUTER!
So, basically when you go to it - it automatically tells you all about your browser your using and in firm tough love - tells you to UPDATE! Keep it fun, informative, but apply the principles of the ToughLove program but for computers.
HAHAHAHAHA - "You can learn a lot from a dummy. So, pay attention to yourself." Quote by me.
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- Ivo Apostolov
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No more excuses that someone can not upgrade due to lack of admin rights:
www.softpedia.com/get/PORTABLE-SOFTWARE/...hrome-Chromium.shtml - Ivo Apostolov
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Ivo Apostolov wrote:
No more excuses that someone can not upgrade due to lack of admin rights:
www.softpedia.com/get/PORTABLE-SOFTWARE/...hrome-Chromium.shtml
WOW! Long time no see!
Oh, trust me they will think of something else to say why they can't.
- "You can learn a lot from a dummy. So, pay attention to yourself." Quote by me.
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