FlexiContent vs K2
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- Terp
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Who wants to use Kunena and its 300+ db calls to compile a list of categories anyway?
Its absurd to argue that K2 wants to take over Joomla and that it doesn't play play nice with other components. They moved content outside the core com_content because they were forced to, since they delivered what many people have been clamoring for - a higher level of specificity when it comes to permissions - FLEXI permissions, per se.
Nonetheless, I'll take this one for a test drive, too...hearing good things, though I really don't see where you are bringing anything new to the content table. Where is my logic flawed?
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- Stian Didriksen
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@Kunena you missed the whole point. Who wants to hack K2 just to use another commenting system than the built in one?
@absurd K2 is loading its Javascript on every single page on your entire site, wether any k2 related extension is running or not. Isn't that a little over the top for an extension don't you think? The only other place I've seen that behavior before are in the backend (joomla loads mootools and its core JS on every page on the backend).
@forced well, as a contributor to the K2 project, and as a developer that have written more than one plugin for K2 (one of them being an AEC plugin for extending K2 to be a downloads manager integrated with AEC subscriptions), one could say I know quite a bit about the inner workings of K2. And I tell you this, moving it to its own table got nothing to do with technical restrictions. It's about replacing com_content instead of extending.
@new to the table, I'm unsure who you're talking to there. But if me, does the vision of someone decide what's the truth or not? What if your eyes missed a spot?
Perhaps it just slipped below your radar
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- Stian Didriksen
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However, just to clear up,
another reason for K2 having less 3PD support is not because of its attitude.
But because it simply don't need that much support to do its thing.
It got acl built in for example, like you mentioned.
And tbh I don't know what's better, extending or replacing.
I guess it depends on your needs.
So I may seem a bit harsh on K2 in my first post, I'm not.
I think of them as the best extensions we have today, k2 being the top stand-alone one. And FLEXIcontent being the best com_content extending one. - Get the JED Search widget!
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- Terp
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Stian Didriksen wrote:
@absurd K2 is loading its Javascript on every single page on your entire site, wether any k2 related extension is running or not. Isn't that a little over the top for an extension don't you think? The only other place I've seen that behavior before are in the backend (joomla loads mootools and its core JS on every page on the backend).
Touché.
Yea, I whined about calling KS js/css on EVERY page over at K2 forums. I did strip down all the css and created a new css file dedicated to the blog, then disabled K2 CSS, so now I just have a very small js file loading everywhere...trade-offs, I guess. Like the core loading caption.js on every page, since you never know when you might want to use it...not.
I'll trade off com_content for total control of who can post what where; but perhaps I am biased after using MyBlog and other blog-like Joomla components for so long...none of which allowed me to restrict members from posting to this category or that.
Perhaps J1.6 will be the end-all-cure-all that we've been looking for, permission wise...been framed to sound like it addresses these shortcomings.
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Stian Didriksen wrote:
So I may seem a bit harsh on K2 in my first post, I'm not.
I think of them as the best extensions we have today, k2 being the top stand-alone one. And FLEXIcontent being the best com_content extending one.
I'm with you, sir...the fact that FLEXI stays within the core content management framework, while also allowing for nested categories, compatability with other Joomla toys/editors, etc, I would consider this bringing something new to the table...since Azrul tied our hands with MyBlog and its editor laden with bugs, no permissions, no nested categories, tons of modules firing a ton of php to compile a few simple queries, etc, etc,etc.
Will the new ACL in J1.6 afford FLEXi the ability to offer the same level of control K2 currently offers? It sounds like it, at which point it would be, as mentioned, a 'no-brainer.'
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- I downloaded Flexicontent and noticed quite a large amount of plugins that require to be enabled with it. I'm a typical "basic" joomla user so I don't know the inner works or reasons for it - I just get easily intimidated with plugins because I heard when enabled they effect your entire site, please correct me if I'm wrong. Still, the plugin functions don't seem they would be heavy (ie: radio buttons etc..) so I'm still gonna use Flexicontent simply for the fact I like my sites to look good and I'm too lazy to replace com_content.
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- Ben Lee
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The extra plugins I think you are talking about are those that extend what flexicontent allows you to use. Like you mentioned, FlexiContent uses com_content so you don't lose your information if you decide to turn it off, but it allows you to do more and needs a place to store that extra content. Here's an article on their site showing what fields are included in com_content and what fields they allow you to add...
http://flexicontent.org/features/fields.html
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- Ben Lee
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Seems like all of these aim to be not quite perfect. They are all missing only one ingredient to make them the winner hands down.
Flexicontent has everything and uses core items first...but no ACL.
K2 has all items and works great...but doesn't use core stuff first so you get tied in and tied in to all the other JoomlaWorks extensions.
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