FlexiContent vs K2
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- Ben Lee
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Emmanual at FlexiContent has done an access control addition to FlexiContent that is custom to a site, but it is custom to your site and that means costs money too. He hasn't mentioned if he's going to add that to the open-source release or not.
For SEO, I stay away from anything that says it does it for you. The rules of SEO are always changing and while there are some components that might help a little, it's much safer to just use Joomla's core SEF system. RocketTheme uses Joomla's core SEF links.
SEF is something that there is a lot of talk about, but in all honestly, if you're doing everything else for it that you should be doing, there's less than 1% left of room to improve. Not worth putting your site in the clutches of yet another extension that you have to rely on.
Everyone likes to argue that better looking urls are picked up better by search engines...but things change and these companies work with dynamic sites now...
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/dynamic-urls-vs-static-urls.html
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- lapoux sebastien
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Hi,
The discussion is very interesting.
I will try to provide some clarification on jSeblod and CCK.
The primary objective of jSeblod CCK is to provide the flexibility of the Drupal CCK to Joomla. Drupal CCK is partly responsible for the fact that many developers of large websites do the choice of Drupal and not Joomla. We whish to reverse this trend and all CCK participating.
We are convinced of the quality of the MVC structure of Joomla. Therefore we use Joomla. As such, the jSeblod CCK MVC structure is just a first level of quality of its organization. For specific developments, we use the basis of jSeblod CCK and have an internal tool for creating components almost automatically.
For the beginning, jSeblod CCK is considering Joomla 1.6 and all other extensions.
Therefore, we have not really developed a ACL system although some fields have a notion of right often enough. All access control extensions of Joomla 1.5 works perfectly with jSeblod CCK like JACLPlus, Juga, GMAccess ...
We try never to repeat what exists. Therefore with Joomla 1.6, jSeblod CCK use full ACL system of Joomla 1.6, which is excellent.
Therefore, we had not planned to manage sub-category at the beginning because Joomla 1.6 brings. We have done compared to other CCK. Knowing that "jSeblod SubCategories Patch" is also very useful.
Therefore, you will not see any real use of Joomla section in jSeblod CCK.
It is true that the interface of jSeblod CCK is original. We greatly reflected in it to make it possible to manage thousands of fields, types of content (soon search engines ...) as soon as possible, so that the interface offers an enormous flexibility in creating and managing all types of content. In our view it is today interface the most successful and the only one that can enable the feature implementation
very complex. For example, the possibility for one content type having different fields in back office, front office, to display content, in the email notification ... is in pratical essential.
We are the only CCK to use directly the Joomla interface to manage all content like articles, categories, users. You want manage user with jSeblod CCK, all right go in Joomla user manager. Again we hope to enrich and do not repeat.
Many technical options are very important for the future capabilities of an application,
For example:
The engine templates jSeblod CCK is based on the Joomla. If the core team changes the motor jSeblod CCK benefits. The jSeblod CCK template for form and content type using all Joomla template functionalities as RocketTheme Joomla templates. Similarly, the recording solution fields of jSeblod CCK can allow to manage in a single content type hundreds of fields without loss of performance, which is simply impossible with other solutions.
A great originality also jSeblod CCK is well on its compatibility. It is the only CCK
to be directly used in other extensions such as Virtuemart, PhocaGallery...
Our challenge today is to communicate because we are relatively new in world of Joomla and know few people, although it's getting better and better. Another very important point is the documentation. We are working on it regularly and next weeks will be very rich.
We just hope that great expert of Joomla, like the RocketTheme team, publish some CCK Packs (function already available on jSeblod CCK) to show the public the power of this extension. Knowing that, contrary to what people might think, jSeblod has the more simple interface for the end user who manages and creates its contents. Once a pack CCK installed, a newbie can use the Joomla content type of this pack.
Sorry as passionate, I could talk about this a very long time.
Best regards,
Sebastian - Last Edit: 14 years 10 months ago by lapoux sebastien.
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- JoomGO
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Ben Lee wrote:
Emmanual at FlexiContent has done an access control addition to FlexiContent that is custom to a site, but it is custom to your site and that means costs money too. He hasn't mentioned if he's going to add that to the open-source release or not.
For SEO, I stay away from anything that says it does it for you. The rules of SEO are always changing and while there are some components that might help a little, it's much safer to just use Joomla's core SEF system. RocketTheme uses Joomla's core SEF links.
SEF is something that there is a lot of talk about, but in all honestly, if you're doing everything else for it that you should be doing, there's less than 1% left of room to improve. Not worth putting your site in the clutches of yet another extension that you have to rely on.
Everyone likes to argue that better looking urls are picked up better by search engines...but things change and these companies work with dynamic sites now...
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/dynamic-urls-vs-static-urls.html
I agree completely about using the SEF functionality and mod_rewrite that is built into Joomla, its something I use on all sites now. I never use a 3rd party extension to control SEF.
I should have been more specific with my question and I apologize (although you provided some great information for every web developer to read).
My SEO question about the 2 components is about how they are built. For example, K2 makes you have to import your articles and FlexiContent uses the Joomla Core. What is the difference when it comes to SEO purposes? - Website Design & Management
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- Ben Lee
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My SEO question about the 2 components is about how they are built. For example, K2 makes you have to import your articles and FlexiContent uses the Joomla Core. What is the difference when it comes to SEO purposes?
FlexiContent uses the Joomla Core tables and Joomla's core SEF. This is a big benefit to many people who do not want to feel tied to a component. Whether you use this component or not, your urls will be the same.
K2 uses it's own content tables and actually uses it's own url rewrite system different than Joomla's core. Even if you do get your content back over to Joomla tables from K2, you're going to have different urls.
There are arguements that K2 does a better job with url structure, but it's only by a fraction. K2 does have slightly better performance for a gigantic site (1,000's of articles), but it is only a slight difference after all other issues are paid attention to.
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- Ben Lee
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@lapoux sebastien,
Thanks for the informative post. These are all systems we're trying to learn more about so it's really nice to have info from those who know!
Everything you've mentioned sounds very encouraging and I really like that everything in Joomla's admin section is still used regularly instead of opening up all new sections to post articles and users. Also very cool that it will be able to use Joomla 1.6's ACL. Many sites take time to really get going and managing people posting articles to wrong categories at first is still manageable at the beginning.
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- Peter Osipof
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@Lapoux Sebastien,
I know this is not your support forum, however since we have your attention, I could not get jSebold to work when I try to create any content I get stuck on 'Ajax Loading ...' any ideas.
I use Joomla 1.5.15 installed with K2, VirtueMart, Ninjaboard, Smartformer, Acymailing, ckforms. - VirtueShop
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- lapoux sebastien
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@Ben Lee Thanks you. I forgot to say that jSeblod CCK was also natively compatible with most
Joomla modules and plugins. Joomla Button Plugin can be integrated as a field in your content type. Content plugin variable can be used as jSeblod CCK field , for example with RokBox {RokBox (size=|100 50| text=|my RokBox|} size and text variables can be easily jSeblod CCK fields ... It becomes very simple in content type to add what you want as slideshow, google map, mp3 player, video player ...
Our Philosophy is a tool for developers to construct products for end user.
@ThatComputerDude and @Ben Lee about SEF, Flexicontent and k2 have their own Joomla menu link. jSeblod CCK use directly menu link of Joomla Content Manager so it's SEF compatible. In global manner, jSeblod CCK use Joomla's core SEF.
@Peter Osipof Hi Peter, thanks for your post, we have never see this problem before, so it's very interesting. To solve quickly, can you send us by PM a super admin account and your website url? If not, i will try to solve this by question/answer. Which browser do you use?
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- Karol
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i have installed jSeblod and I'm little bit overwhelmed withe the component its like putting a kid in to a cockpit of a jumbo jet allot of features and clue how to use them do you have any tutorials to get me started ?
me by the kid will become a great pilot some day
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- LiEs
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Alright for the past two days I have been testing out flexicontent and jSeblod (today). I use and know k2, so I didn't test that. Just let me say this now...
JSeblod is closer to Drupals CCK
While flexicontent and k2 lets you add pre-defined fields. JSeblod extends it even more. At first I did not like JSeblod because it seemed more complex (I had to learn something new all over again) so I left it for last. I am :shock: I have not used jSeblod. The depth in this extension blows the other two. With that said I recommend this to advance users, or people who have hours to spare to learn it's true power. Once 1.6 comes out...*cleans foam of mouth*. I have not touched the registration, portfolio, and user layout yet. I'm assuming I can turn them off if I don't like the changes it makes. So, yes so far I'm liking it.
Right now I'm in the process of adding a plugin button right under my article title for the back-end, instead of having it in my editor. Yes, It lets you re-arrange the back-end layout how you want it; Even the default Joomla fields. It even has advance fields like grabbing a query to show in the frontend. (Bye jumi?j/k :cheesy: ) . Another cool thing is that it uses Joomla's default articles, no need to import. It changes your back-end, but in a comfortable way. To edit an article I go to Content->articles-> and choose my article. This is where it looks different from Joomla's default, instead it includes the extra content types you created as well. So far I am very impressed.
Templates can be customized. If you want to display certain fields you can by editing the templates php file, just like k2. You can assign a template to certain categorize, or a menu item. JSeblod comes with some templates that I might not use, but I can always delete them, and it's content types that I wont use.
I think (still need way more testing) this is the best CCK out there. With this extension it just feels like I have control in making my content types, and how I want them displayed like drupal's CCK. It uses com_content unlike k2 so many 3rd party plugin should work. I'm making a blog style, so I added a 3rd party tag extension, and now I can tags to my articles. Maybe I'm just a kid in a candy store because I just started testing it out. I will be making a better comparsion again once I make use of this on a live site. I hope I wont have trouble with it with the little things.
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- Stian Didriksen
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woah LiEs, if you learned all that about JSeblod, you should really tryout FLEXIcontent
Fc already got a beta running on j!1.6 btw. - Get the JED Search widget!
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